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So the more rural the more pro-slavery?
Voted when? What was the bill number in each state? What’s the actual text?
Probably Nevada didn’t witness the effects of “progressive” criminal justice policies as much as California did, and as a result the voters weren’t as pissed off on the election day?
Can someone here describe the difference in legal language between slavey and compulsory community service?
Worth comparing the language used for each:
Nevada:
>Shall the Ordinance of the Nevada Constitution and the Nevada Constitution be amended to remove language authorizing the use of slavery and involuntary servitude as a criminal punishment?
California:
>Eliminates constitutional provision allowing involuntary servitude for incarcerated persons. Legislative constitutional amendment.
It’s dumb but I’d guess the use of the word “slavery” on the Nevada measure caused more people to oppose it, while “involuntary servitude” (despite being basically the same thing) doesn’t have the same negative connotations as slavery.
Rare California win.
Equating any labor performed by prisoners as akin to chattel slavery is pretty disingenuous IMO. I don’t think prisoners should be working chain gangs in the summer heat or anything like that, but claiming that having them cleanup and cook food for each other is comparable to picking cotton under the threat of a whip doesn’t sit right with me either.
this would prohibit community service
It’s moot because there isn’t enough jobs for all the CA inmates who would want a job anyway. So really, there’s no jobs to involuntarily force prisoners into doing.
Just your average Republican state abolishing slavery, and your average Democrat state keeping it. Nature is healing
People imagine criminals as unethical monsters who don’t deserve respect or basic human decency.
Some facts:
– The US is first in the world on incarceration.
– California just made homelessness illegal.
– Many things used to be illegal that we would now consider basic human rights (such as gay marriage).
It should be obvious that:
– We don’t want to entice the powerful with cheap labor to lock up more people.
– We don’t want to undercut hard-working American pay with absurdly low wages to the incarcerated.
– We don’t want the moral weight of forced labor on society’s shoulders
Who would vote in favor of that? There’s nothing wrong with putting criminals to work.
My brother has been in prison in Nevada for 8 years, and he’s always been paid for whatever job he’s done. From cooking, cleaning, assisting medical staff, and carpentry for a private company. He doesn’t make very much, but he’s always gotten paid.
How and why does legal slavery persist in a developed nation?
California is definitely changing
The very language in the California constitution that the measure addressed already explicitly makes a distinction between slavery and involuntary servitude, but you chose to conflate them.
A large component of the definition of slavery is being deprived of one’s liberty and autonomy. Prisoners have already forfeited these things for the duration of their sentences. We do not call this being enslaved rather being imprisoned.
I voted for it, btw. I would like to see all prisoners offered work with incentives such that they would choose to perform it voluntarily. But it is in the very nature of being imprisoned to have your life under the control of other people.
That’s odd: it looks as if the coastal liberal California counties voted in favor of continuing convict slavery.
Maybe higher percentages of the electorate in rural and Central Valley California have done time.
Seems like the for profit prisons just got another revenue stream.
its fuckin prison, what do you think you have to do to not go there and get treated like one. Maybe put that into your thieving heads
Making prisoners work is not slavery. They aren’t bought and sold, and their children don’t inherit their position. I see prison labor as part of repaying the debt to society.
Every convict should break rocks 12 hours a day.