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    Großbritannien braucht Cybersicherheitsexperten, zahlt aber nicht


    Großbritannien braucht Cybersicherheitsexperten, zahlt aber nicht

    https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/29/gchq_needs_advanced_cybersecurity_professionals/?td=rt-3a

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    1. AnotherKTa on

      This is hardly news (not least because the article is a month old).

      Government pays shit wages, and counts on people accepting those in exchange for job security and a feeling that they’re “doing some good”. And with places like GCHQ, you get a nice boost to the CV as well. But it also means that they struggle to hire anyone with experience, and that the juniors they hire quickly move on to earn twice as much in the private sector.

    2. Creepy-Bell-4527 on

      I’d join GCHQ in a heartbeat if they beat or even match my current total comp. But they don’t even match my basic.

      ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯

      Whatcha gonna do.

    3. Ramidale1 on

      Surely they can just do what the rest of the Civil Service does – that is forget about developing in-house skills and paying them accordingly but instead just fill their IT departments with highly paid contractors that cost more in the long run.

    4. WebDevWarrior on

      Cybersecurity is different to other forms of IT because when it comes to resilience of our infrastructure, we should be treating funding it like we do the military.

      We’ve already seen the consequences of not funding our IT properly on multiple occasions when the NHS got hit by malware and ransomware attacks in addition to bad third party update’s sending our services to the Stone Age.

      It will only get worse with bad actor states trying to steal or destroy our national assets. If we don’t act early, we are leaving the door open to digital terrorism.

    5. Tinyjar on

      All UK stem jobs pay terribly and we wonder why there’s a brain drain. I work cybersecurity in Germany and literally earn double the average salary for my job here than in the UK, why the ever loving hell would I go to work in the UK when I’d lose my good public services, generous holiday allowance (30 days), salary + bonuses, to earn just 30k??

    6. Valuable_Tomato_2854 on

      Government salaries are crap, the rest are fairly good. I am at 90k at the moment for a senior role, the Government equivalent is around 55-60k.

    7. O-bot54 on

      Pays shit wages … wonders why they cant keep people … and thats just the military lol

    8. OrcaResistence on

      I’m currently learning in my own spare time mostly as a hobby and I had a look around and it’s pretty bleak lol

      But I would join in a heart beat, but most of the time they’re looking for people with a degree in cyber security.

    10. wwntr on

      Lol this reminds me of when my local government tried to hire senior software devs for like £36k per year. They got laughed off of Facebook and had to delete the post.

    11. dontwantablowjob on

      An example of just how poorly the government pays their tech workers was a few years ago I was recommended to look at applying for the job or chief data officer for the Scottish government and the salary was £45k less than what I get in the private sector as a bog standard engineering manager with 20 years experience.

    12. aussieflu999 on

      Their analysts roles pay about £30k. You can get nearly twice that for the same role in the NHS.

    13. MrPuddington2 on

      Works for any profession.

      UK needs more engineers, but won’t pay the going rate.

      UK needs more computer scientists, but won’t pay properly.

      UK needs more dentists, but won’t pay them.

      UK needs more GPs, but doesn’t have the money for it.

    14. link6112 on

      I am a software engineer working for a UK publicly owned company and I design and program critical national infrastructure.
      I have been told I work above and beyond my pay grade by management.

      I have just had to take a job at another company as I am continuously denied pay raises and promotions.

    15. Omganalien on

      I’d love to do cybersecuirty, I already work in IT. But fighting for training is hard. “we don’t have the money, we aren’t looking to devlop skills”

      I just seen people being held back and then they scratch their heads when someone leaves to go into the private sector or abroad. The public service IT is horrible. Terrible pay and no chance for any progression, whenever a job opens up in my area for a IT job they have 8000+ applications. Whenever we put a job up, we get so many. The amount of students with degrees in computer science that apply, the qualification is not worth the paper it’s printed on.

      There is no hope for getting people interested in cyber security, when you have to pay for the courses yourself. And there are not jobs without moving to London.

    16. Alundra828 on

      I’ve seen the pay these guys offer, and it’s quite literally a joke.

      I used to always get workplace offers from GCHQ, and even back when I was a junior, the salaries were simply far too low. You could get a job in tech support and be paid 10k over what they were offering as a fairly serious technical security role. And these are *not easy jobs* either. They are extremely challenging, and of course come with a lot of pressure with a a lot of people (an entire nation ostensibly) relying on you to get it right. And you get the same compensation as a mid-level manager at McDonalds in a high inflationary economy to do it. Great, thanks.

      It really sucks, because it means that some *really* strange and unserious people actually take these GCHQ jobs. You know they’re strange and unserious because if they weren’t, they’d have a job in the private sector like a normal person. OR you were suckered in via the *extensive* internship program, and you’re just not the sort of person to seek out new challenges or want change. And forgive me for pointing this out, but if you’re this way inclined, you’re probably *also* not cream of the crop…

      If you want good people to work for you, you have to pay for them. If you don’t pay for them you don’t get the best people. It’s as simple as that. Clearly someone at GCHQ has done a calculation and figured the mediocrity keeps things ticking over just fine. So, I guess we’ll have to see if our nations security grinds to a complete halt because of negligence, or whether we don’t notice everything because the mediocrity was just fine to get us through whatever attack will befall us.

    17. MurderMouse999 on

      UK barely pays doctors enough. Are you really surprised? The UK has become a barely there country and proud of it

    18. KernowSec on

      Can confirm. I’m a cyber security lead a ftse100 and the salary is OK… nothing on US counterparts and it surprises me the poor calibre of senior staff in these companies.

      Pay peanuts get monkeys.

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