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Labour are successfully ostracising the whole of the British public.
It seems like Starmer is on a speed run to get the lowest approval ratings of all time.
He seems to be going out of his way to alienate every group of people possible.
I wonder what Starmerites are going to say to defend him without launching an ad hominem attack against Diane Abbott. It’s clear that he believes that the government should service the labour movement by forcing everyone to be a labourer, regardless of whether they are capable or not. It’s what Blair did in the 90s and he is nothing but an heir to Blair.
Sheltered middle class journalists and politicians who have had zero interaction with the working class, claiming benefits scroungers don’t exist. Anyone who grew up working class will know for a fact that they really exist.
I mean while it may be exaggerated it’s certainly not a myth.
Maybe if labour stuck to their old labour values like nationalizing industry and giving working class a permanent jobs for life then people wouldn’t be stuck on benefits.
I mean, unfortunate that his critic is also one of the shammiest politicians of modern British politics
I feel many, many things about this kind of rhetoric coming from Labour, but one thing i think especially, it feels totally vapid. Like that wanna be at school trying to act like the bully to get kudos from all the nasty kids. Like it just comes across as indicitive of being both thoroughly unpleasant, but also kind of pathetic as well.
Either way, also, to me it seems to show how high on their own supply they are. You won because the Tory vote collapsed, not because people were fucking inspired by your right wing nonsense. People either hate this coming from labour or simply don’t believe it. SO you’re not winning the Reforms or Torys over, and you’re enraging your base! It’s delusional! ANd politics aside, where are their values!?
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Not sure it’s a myth, I expect everyone knows some.
My sister and my partners ex both claim that’s just family.
Sister has never worked and she’s now 48, outside of odd cash in hand job.
Partners ex lives with his GF and who is his landlord so claims housing benefit even.
I’m not going to knock the individuals when we have MPs claim 2nd homes that don’t need them and use the excuse it’s legal so we doing no wrong.
Labour are, amazingly, going after working people this time around. So if any ‘approval’ exists it soon won’t.
In fact I just do not see that ‘other people who may be a bit dodgy’ is the public’s interest these days. We shall see.
Sunak’s National Service targeted the wrong people.
Long-term jobless benefits claimants should have to complete a number of hours of community service each week, non-negotiable.
It would help communities and they’d be giving something back.
Whoever wrote this article needs to go outside and actually open their eyes. I’m related to 3 benefit scroungers, I was dragged up by one, and I’ve seen the social circles that exist around benefit scrounging.
I mean fuck the benefit scroungers my mum interacted with, would literally share tips on how to score more points on the PIP assessment.
I can’t even blame them. The entire system is rigged against people who actually need support, and people willing to earn their way. Meanwhile whoever can spew the most feasible sounding but un-disprovable shit gets to live the same lifestyle I do in the top income tax band without lifting a finger.
I personally know people who claim benefits for housing and because they claim they cannot work / find work who are also driving £50,000 cars through PIP!
Starmer is doing this to appeal to Daily Mail readers. Meanwhile, said readers will continue to howl that none of the nation’s problems have been fixed in the last 5 minutes and that they’re all Labour’s fault anyway, while ignoring every single thing the Tories have said and done since before Thatcher.
People, adult people with access to knowledge and reasoning skills, are fucking stupid.
I’d rather have benefit scroungers than force disabled people to live in poverty and stress, like yeah its a economic drain, but the uk would be so much worse without it.
Like these benefit cheat are still part of the uk economy, every time they buy shit, they pay vat, they keep jobs in the area even if they spend it all on drugs that dealer will spend that money.
And if they truly have cheated the system, they can be caught and forced to pay it back. Why is this never brought up, its a crime that has a paper trail, we can get that money back if you truly need to.
If we stopped 50% of all benefits, the uk economy would crash wayyyy faster than any job creation. The middle class and London elites are keeping the vast majority of shops and services industry afloat, you need poor people buying shit to keep gdp figures looking nice
Its rich people who pull money out of the economy and hide it in off tax heavens and loop holes.
Diane Abbott again tweeting nonsense about Starmer… I feel like Diane really is a tory gift
Two things can be true at the same time. Benefit fraud can be real and over/under-estimated. Doesn’t make it a myth.
I’ve worked for 39 years and am newly unemployed. I get £374 per month. I wonder if I’m a benefits scrounger ?
Long time lefty here. I agree with him to an extent.
Until fairly recently my daughter and her boyfriend revelled in not working and being on universal credit like it was a badge.
We put our foot down and sorted it out but aware that many of their friends get away with it. We need to look after those who need it but if you don’t want to work you should not be supported.
Benefit fraud is absolutely a thing, it’s claimed by people who don’t actually need it because they have other sources of income. Clamping down on this is a socialist exercise, just like means testing benefits, or tax allowances.
The problem with the scrounging benefits myth is the idea that people living on just benefits are somehow immoral. If you can afford to live on just the small amount of benefit you can legitimately get, or a universal basic income if that ever comes in, good luck to you.
The idea that those people are fiddling something comes from the truth that it’s almost impossible to live on that amount, so most people are fiddling something somewhere. That’s an issue with the amount we’re paying them, though, not the general principle of chasing down fraud.ike a lot of these things, it’s not a question of what you do, it’s more a question of how you do it.
We should be tackling this from the top down, targeting those with the largest scale fraud, instead of just those that are easiest to find.
At a time when everyone seems to have a mental health illness or neuro diversity its important that we dont allow it to become something to hide behind. I’ve had my share of issues but its not stopped me as I’ve been lucky to have support and help….of the sort that is sorely missing to many people.
That said, I can already see a shift in the national mood towards mental health from one of sympathy and understanding to one thats a little more skeptical. I can understand it as it does seem like everyone has soemthign now….but remember this…remember the kid that always played up in class? the kid that was just ‘off’, the kid that was hyper all the time….the kid that no one messed with cause he was a ‘fighter’….these are likely people with mental health issues…they just werent diagnosed and many of us took a huge sigh of relief when they left school at 16 never to be seen again…but with help what could have happened?
Its very important that we don’t allow it to become an excuse not to work or study and we need to accept that doing things we dotn like is part of being human…but we shouldnt do this at the expense of the many people that genuinely need support.
Furthermore, its all very well and good treating the symptoms but I think we need to look at the causes as well. Rapid intervention when kids start showing signs…problem is it all costs money…but I think its well spent
They think they doing u a favour with benefits simply because some poor countries don’t have them and they get left to starve to death.
Well benefits cost over £200 BILLON a year, so cutting that back would be a good start
I’m all for a benefits crack down. I have neighbours where the whole house are on benefits and have not worked a job in the last five years. Nothing obviously wrong with them other than being antisocial arseholes. Cut the benefits and a large amount of these people that are too sick to work may actually have to get a job if they are not being handed out so much money they can live for free
My local wetherspoons is full of the mentul elf on PIP crowd
Is his riding a bike, or is some cycle path backpedalling about pedal pedlars peddling pedals while pedalling?
I keep seeing headlines saying “Young People to lose benefits if they don’t accept job offers!” Which is stupid because that’s literally how it works already, you go on universal credit and you’re required to go to weekly meetings and prove you’re applying for jobs and you get sanctioned if you don’t accept anything that is actually offered.
The cost of the ‘scrounging’ is likely small change in relative terms but there is a corrosive effect on society when people are seen to be gaming the system because they can’t be arsed to work and contribute.