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This has been circulating around and around for 40 years – didn’t they actually do this? Is there work to give people? You usually hear this one when unemployment rises, as if redundant people simultaneously ceased wishing to work.
Just make UBI universal already, most work is very quickly becoming automated and there’s a huge chunk of the population who CANT do anything above stuff that’s being automated.
Just make the lives of your citizens better for once.
The whole point of benefits is to provide a safety net, take the safety net away and the social problems that arise will be far more acute.
A great measure would be to give money into specific government owned accounts and bank cards that can be seen, determining what exactly someone’s spends their benefits on, that would be a real eye opener.
What is true:
That Universal Credit and job centres are not fit for purpose and do not remotely help people get into work. This is a fair enough point and it’s definitely the case that there is a need for reform. This will, however, need ADDITIONAL funding (to hire and train staff, to sponsor training programs, etc) and I am sceptical it can be implemented given the current benefits bill cuts that are in the budget.
What’s not true:
That a large portion of people are fraudulently claiming benefits-all studies and government research has shown it’s a tiny number of people. The vast, vast majority of people are valid in claiming benefits (be it disability or people seeking work) and attempts to further restrict what is already an incredibly punitive system will get people killed. Austerity led to 100,000 premature/excess deaths for this reason, and Labour wont be any different if they think they can cut their way to a functioning benefits system.
What is immoral:
Framing people on benefits and disability as scroungers, “a blight” (insanely ableist language), and a burden on society just because they cannot contribute as much to capital accumulation. Someone’s value as a person being solely tied to how much money they can make for their boss (or, more accurately, boss’s boss’s boss’s boss etc etc) i sinevitably going to lead to discrimination and hate towards disabled people, as well as those who simply are struggling to get a job.
Starmer says:
>But he promised not to “call people shirkers or go down the road of division” and said that instead ministers would “treat people with dignity and respect”.
But calling the benefits bill as a whole, which is almost entirely comprised of legitimate claimants (disabled people, those unable to work, those unable to find a job) a ‘blight’ is to cast entire populations as being bereft of value as humans. I’d rather they call us shirkers than use such vile dehumanising language ffs.
Are employers begging for jobs? I don’t know, but the idea that anyone can just get a job at will is not true, especially if you’re disabled or have mental health issues. Even minimum wage retail jobs in urban areas have 20+ applicants per role, and if you’re disabled (e.g., autistic or in a wheelchair) then you’re pretty much never going to be their favourite. I’ve had better luck applying for skilled, higher-demand (in terms of qualifications) jobs than I have retail, security, and hospitality jobs as the latter tend to be more discriminatory towards people with disabilities and mental health issues, in my personal experience. IDK if that is backed up by stats, but when 80% of autistic adults are unemployed (despite the majority of these having the cognitive capacity AND desire to get a job) it’s clear there are issues far beyond mere ‘benefits scroungers’ or whatever ableist and classist bullshit the right-wing media spouts.
As always, I loathe Liz Kendall with a passion and she is the enemy of the interests of disabled and poorer people.
Why just young people?
Shouldn’t this apply to everyone?
What about older upper class folk that quite literally never worked?
Yeah… if only someone would just give me a job already. I’ve been applying for months. I’m perfectly able. Can’t imagine how much harder it would be for someone who wasn’t.
I keep seeing articles saying this sort of thing and I’m confused.
People already get sanctioned for refusing jobs/training, are young people excluded from that currently?
That seems unlikely, but it’s the only way I can make sense of it.
If you told me this was a Tory politician saying this I’d have believed you. Meet the new government, same as the old one.
We’ve lost the low skilled jobs. Half the population doesn’t have the potential to be a CEO.
We have millions of people we have no economic need for. The benefit system needs to react to that.
My solution? Stop benefits (unless literally unable to work through illness) and instead guarantee a government job to everyone.
Pick up litter, clean graffiti, plant trees. There’s then thousands of managerial jobs created by this for people to progress into. It’s not a dead end. There’s even a CEO position in it for someone that started at the bottom.
For most roles it would be a 4 day week (to allow a 5th day for job interviews) and 6 hours a day (to work around collecting kids from school). The job would be local and transport arranged.
The outcome? No one is sitting at home, everyone is adding value, all that benefit money is literally making your town better before your very eyes. People are learning skills. There’s no fraud – don’t clock in? No pay.
And if people think they’re too good for these jobs? Well, go get another.
Dignified, value adding and no bullshit tolerated.
“our fantastic job coaches in jobcentres”
Sure.
This was the system when I was issuing signing slips to NEET young people back in 2002 so why Liz Kendall or anyone else wants to pretend it is some sort of radical change is beyond me.
Anyway the training courses they send these kids on are absolute shit. A few days in a room with a bored and ill informed person mumbling their way through a presentation that has barely been spell checked and contains nothing of importance but which has been funded so you will sit through it or you won’t be deemed worthy of eating this month.
Or you can go and work full time in a supermarket and have your labour called ‘training’ and not be taken on permanently because why the hell would they choose employees with rights over a neverending supply of desperate benefits claimants instead?
People like Kendall always love the stick, love to talk big about punishing the people who don’t make their figures look good, but offer us *nothing* of worth at the other end.
Became disabled in 2021 because of Covid(stroke) I didn’t realise just how awful we are made to feel for getting what i I’ve paid for most of my adult life suddenly because I need financial support I’m demonised made to feel ashamed because have brain damage sadly a big part of me is glad my disabilities are mostly invisible I’d be scared out and about with the rhetoric pushed by both governments in the last year 😔
Why should any young person work in this economy? What’s the motivation of the basic goals of previous generations that are completely out of reach for the vast majority of people in this country? Unless we radically change the house pricing situation, the wage situation, why the hell should we ?
If they hadn’t destroyed national industries they could employ people and even run the industries at a loss. It would make sense if it cost less to the public purse than unemployment.
A big problem is that work doesn’t really pay, not really, in a lot of low paid jobs you’re not that much better off than being unemployed, once you take into account the tax and all the costs of travel, food and clothing that come with going to work daily, and the loss of benefits that you would otherwise have had. And if you have a child to put in childcare, god help you. Working 8-5 every day and for what, a few quid a week more in your pocket? You’re still on the breadline. It’s not like you can hope to own your own home, and starting a family still wouldn’t be financially responsible.
The issue isn’t the benefits are too generous, it that a lot wages are shit and the cost of living unmanageable. Even when they find a job, their quality of life doesn’t improve. I don’t think a lot of people choose to avoid work, but you have to still give people motivation to find it, give them some dignity and hope instead of threatening and browbeating them into employment.
Who exactly is the labour stooges attempting to court with policies like this.
More nonsense to please Daily Mail readers, most of whom don’t work either. It’s already a rule, but hey, never miss a chance to imply the youth are idle.
Is she going to focus on her actual job or just make media appearances yapping about the unemployed and disabled?
People farting about UBI ffs.
What we need is a universal job guarantee.
Anyone and everyone should be guaranteed a job. No benefits. No payment schemes. Everyone should have to give something for payment.
A job suitable for everyone should be the goal. Can’t leave your home. Then you’re given a laptop, internet connection and made to triage emails for the local council or mark homework for schools.
Can’t move your arms or legs. Then another persons job is to come visit you and make you provide feedback to NHS, council, police, fire policies once a week or something simple you can do with yes or no answers. But it’s clear you are working and have a career.
Once a week if capable you have to show up to a library, job centre etc and attend training workshops for CV writing, simple basic skills. Otherwise you’re off working either in the NHS serving tea, in the local Council sweeping roads or working in schools helping teachers or on a construction crew filling pot holes, or with the local police force helping do administration or cleaning their cars etc. etc.
No. Not shipped off to private enterprises. Local government, council, public services or proven documented charities.
Everyone, regardless of how inept or broken you are. Should be guaranteed some semblance of work.
The physical cash earned should be 25% less than minimum wage, with housing vouchers, food stamps and children supplies provided separately.
It should be survivable, but also considered shit compared to actual jobs.
We need to drive the psychology back into the nation that you provide value to make your way.
That’s the spirit, attack the victims not the root cause of the problem.