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    Unterstützen die Länder der Europäischen Union die Bestrebungen Georgiens und Armeniens, der EU beizutreten? Nehmen sie Armenien und Georgien als europäische Länder wahr?

    Unterstützen die Länder der Europäischen Union die Bestrebungen Georgiens und Armeniens, der EU beizutreten? Nehmen sie Armenien und Georgien als europäische Länder wahr?

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    7. ropoko on

      Not with their relationships with Russia (talking about Georgia). We don’t need another Troyan horse. We have Hungary, Austria and Slovakia already

    8. crashraven on

      Georgia if they get rid of their current government yes.

      Armenia is a bit harder to answer – from one side it makes just as much sense as Georgia, but on the other hand, the country and the people feel much more eastern and less “european” even if they are extra friendly with France

    9. Silent_Box_7900 on

      For me eventually, but I think we need to slow it down and wait for alignment with EU values. I also think there should be a way to expel a country before we expand further. We have seen with Hungary for example democratic backsliding that is inconsistent with EU membership and there should be a way to remove a country who clearly no longer wants to be a member based on their actions.

    10. abhora_ratio on

      Yes. I don’t know about the perception of “European countries”. I personally rather see them as Caucasian countries- caught somewhere between “the clash of the titans”. Very unfortunate geographical position with very bad neighbors 🥺🥺

    11. MedicalHoliday on

      I don’t really see them as European, more like bordering states that are not too different from the rest of Europe to join, so they could imo. But I’m not informed enough how they are doing economically and stuff like corruption, freedom of speech etc.

    12. Inevitable-Push-8061 on

      Turks would likely support the EU’s expansion into the Caucasus, as it could strengthen Turkey’s aspirations to join the EU one day. A democratic, progressive, secular, and prosperous Caucasus would also mean one less problem in the east for Turkey.

    14. C_Marjan on

      Personally no . To me you are more Asian than European. But that’s just me.

    17. PlatypusOk5108 on

      I don’t think they’re ready to join yet. But they should surely be considered Europe. I don’t see why Georgia especially should be considered anything other than Europe

    19. aubenaubiak on

      No. Like Turkey, some economic and political integration will be offered, but no one will have the guts to tell you straight that this won’t happen (except a Marie Le Pen becomes French president…). Even Ukraine will have a super hard time joining and they have all the stars aligning.

    20. DraftOk4195 on

      I would argue that most people probably don’t view Armenia and Georgia as European countries due to geography. The Black Sea is one of the natural borders on the outskirts of Europe that works as a barrier separating Europe from Asia. Though I don’t think these countries, along with Azerbaijan, are really considered a part of the Middle East either. They’re kind of in their own separate category between Turkey, Russia and the Middle East.

    21. Geepandjagger on

      Having lived in Georgia for 9 years and having visited Armenia many times I would say definitely not. There is very little in common between much of the EU now and Georgia is even less. They are also very poor and there is a massive gulf between EU values and Georgia that would cause constant problems with very little if any benefit.

    22. Sshorty4 on

      This gives off a troll farm vibes.

      For anyone that doesn’t know, pro kremlin forces try to make us Georgians and Armenians feel like “Europeans don’t even like you” to create sense of disappointment and defeat so they can later introduce the idea of “see Europe don’t want you so you should side with Russia”. It works on many people.

      The idea is not about if we’ll join EU or not, it’s about do we want to have western values or be a puppet to a bully.

      Also average redditor doesn’t understand the significance of us joining EU and how useful we could be to EU.

      From a Georgian perspective it looks like this:
      After we left Soviet Union and started building our country, while we were learning how to walk pro Russian forces did their best to convince us “you won’t be able to run” so it creates nihilism that Putin loves since he can take advantage of that.

      Regardless of if we will join EU or not, we will work towards becoming western society with western values since that’s where we feel like home the most

    23. Thin_Combination_484 on

      Every decent human being in the world deserves to be as far away from Russian influence as possible.

    24. LitmusPitmus on

      Not really European imo, Armenia shares a border with Iran. Only because of Christianity and geopolitics is this even being mooted

    25. OGoby on

      Long term optimistic yes, short term absolutely no. Given the current geopolitics in this region these two are liabilities. First I would first like to see the EU install more safeguards to protect the union from sabotage by compromised members.

    26. Awarglewinkle on

      You will probably get as many opinions as there are Europeans.

      Of course, since the Caucasus is literally in the borderlands between Europe and Asia, there’s no black or white answer.

      The question is more if the European Union should be a union purely based on geography, or if it should take in members from outside the geographical area most people would consider Europe. I personally wouldn’t mind the EU taking in non-European (in a geographical context) members, as long as they uphold the EU standards for human rights, gender equality, etc.

      But only after implementing ways to prevent subversion from within by members that move away from those ideals, as of course Hungary has exposed the weaknesses in the current setup.

    27. assault321 on

      Our histories are connected but our people are not. Just based on logistics alone, the EU would need a rock solid relationship with Turkey OR Russia before they could include Georgia and Armenia.

      It’s a trade union first and foremost, no point being in it if your neighbours can stop the flow of trade.

    28. dornroesschen on

      Don’t know much about Armenia but with Georgia‘s anti queer politics and pro Russian attitude I personally don’t want them in the EU.

    29. True-Blacksmith4235 on

      They should join if they want to and meet the conditions i guess, but i don’t personally see them as European countries. But then maybe they have more of European mentality and lifestyle idk, we learn and know a lot less about them than the actual European countries. But again if they want to join i wouldn’t really have a problem with that if my country was a member.

    30. WallabyInTraining on

      >Do European Union countries support Georgia and Armenia aspirations to join the EU?

      Not at the moment.

      Politically unstable. Conflicts with their neighbours. Corruption. Weak democracy.

    31. BratlConnoisseur on

      I do consider them European and I do eventually want them to join the EU, but I also want them to fully commit to the values they have to uphold once they join and don’t want the EU to rush things. Of course I also hold the opinion that we should properly aid them on their way, both finanically and politically.

    32. xondex on

      EU is going through enlargement fatigue. I believe it is simply impossible to continue expanding the union with V
      veto rights continuing to exist.

      If anyone thinks you can infinitely expand and maintain a balance with the veto vote, you’re stupid.

      It has served it’s initial purpose and we are not Americans that have the same amendments for hundreds of years, we need to update and abolish this, then we can talk about expansion.

    33. MissMormie on

      Honestly, i wouldn’t know where to find them on a map and i was surprised at the question as this implies they are european countries. 

      Without meaning disrespect to these countries, the eu has problems enough with the different cultures already. A larger geographical spread just means larger cultural differences as well. And I don’t think that’s good for the eu atm. 

    34. Professional-Wish656 on

      No it is not and I don’t think that everyone should join the EU.

    35. jatawis on

      Yes, but not with pro-Russian governments. Many Lithuanians feel disappointed with Georgia that turned to be pro-Russian after decades of us unconditionally supporting it.

    38. kamikazekaktus on

      Haven’t we got enough barely democratic countries who sabotage decisions whenever possible? Before anybody else is admitted the EU has to reform its decision making process

    39. Kralizek82 on

      Are they aligned to our values? Are they ok with divorce, abortion and LGBTQ+ rights?

      If not, they can stay where they are. EU membership isn’t a godsent right. You got to earn it.

    41. i_sixone on

      Georgia and Armenia are asian countries, why would they join _European_ union?

    42. CFO_in_incognito on

      Absolutely not, we should stop calling any random country “European”

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