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Okay? I don’t think the plan was ever to conquer part of Russia. I don’t even know if holding it was important.
Maybe it was just meant to be a proof of concept. Like, “hey, we can totally march on Russia with the right support.”
They don’t need to use any sort of nuclear weapon, they just need to bring the realities of the war to the people of Russia. Let them see what life has become for Ukrainians.
edit: What’s more, while there are attempts to paint the situation more hopelessly, Ukraine was able to seize a chunk of Russia and hold onto over 50% of it. While fighting a truly uphill battle for survival and defense, they took one off Russia. It can never be a “perfect game” now, lol.
With the support of the world, Ukraine can win this war.
The goal was to grab land with conscripts and other units with people that Russia wants to get back and exchange them. Because people who fight in Ukraine have 0 value for Russian society
Lol. Wtf is going on at Reuters?
A former global superpower is entering its fifth month of being occupied by a minor regional rival, without being able to dislodge them. After losses exceeding 100 thousand, 60% of their occupied territory still remains out of their reach.
And all Reuters can say is, yeah, well, but, like… Ukraine has lost 40% of its territory, man.
Come on, Reuters, this is “man bites dog.” Basic journalism.
Sure, but what did it cost ruZzia in soldiers and equipment? What did it cost in ruZZian morale? how bad did it make Putler look, and lastly, how embarrassing is for “the second army in the world” to be so profoundly unable to evict them?
Human meat has always had a utility in that, unfortunately, going back to the BC timeframe. No matter how poorly trained and equipped, quantity has a quality all its own. The purpose was always to use the location as an attritional warfare bullet sponge for Russians and their equipment. It is working. If Ukraine retreated tomorrow, it will have been a success due to the sheer amount of casualties they inflicted on the enemy.
Not good but every inch is a hundred dead Russian, which is ultimately the point.
I think people are seriously misunderstanding the effects of the incursion. Throwing another 10,000 troops into the Donbas to try and stabilize that front would honestly not have done much. Because to a certain extent, you don’t really want a ton of troops in a small area because then they are just bait for artillery. Mainly you want to use mass in order to allow troops to rotate more often to keep their effectiveness up. And here they used a relatively small number of troops to attack a poorly defended area. This mean Russia has to bring to bear tens of thousands of troops simply to stop the incursion from spreading and then they’ve had to commit over 50,000 troops plus North Korean troops in order to defend that line and regain a portion of the territory that they lost. Not only that these are areas that don’t have extremely significant fortifications built up. Those certifications are crucial for Russian encounter attacks because they provide a powerful base where you can launch a tax from and not be worried about the defenders counter attacking if you become vulnerable. So Russian attacks in that area are less dangerous if that makes sense because they’re not attacking from a ridiculously fortified position.
Ideally, Ukraine would strike out again into soft Russian frontiers. Probably not in the cards, but man would that mock Putin before his proxy takes the reins in DC
The maingoal was to pre-emptively strike Kursk to prevent them attacking Sumy from the Kursk Oblast.
That goal was fulfilled, the Russian Forces there have been disrupted and ground down, forced into a defensive posture for weeks and now they’re counter-attacking since a few weeks. Yeah, the Russians regained some of their lost ground, but from what I hear, now they’re largely stuck there too.
So it seemingly only depends now on how many military personnel and resources Ukraine commits to the Kursk Incursion to hold the ground there against the Russians while simultaneously, hopefully, improving defenses in Northern Ukraine.
Every Russian Soldiers who dies trying to reconquer Kursk, every tank, truck, drone etc. that gets blown up there can’t do harm to Ukraine itself.
It wasn’t meant to be held. Ukraine’s incursion was to block Russian supply routes, push missile launchers back from the border and encircle Russian troops.
Thousands of russians were displaced as a result of Kursk offensive. AFAIK none of those that left, have been able to return home. It’s still embarrassing (for putin) that Russia has taken back less than half the territory from ukraine 3 months later- not to mention the HEAVY losses sustained just to get it. They couldn’t even do it on their own, had to bring in 10,,000 NK troops.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/11/12/ukrainian-troops-destroyed-three-russian-battalions-in-six-days-in-kursk/
After initial rapid gains, you’d expect having to relinquish some of it but keeping 60 percent is a hefty chunk of territory.
The offensive literally costed them Vulhedar and Russians rapidly gaining grounds from its collapse before it was slowed down, its primary goal of attempting drawing many Russian troops from the front line barely did anything if at all and they even lost half of what they gained already. So as much of surprise as it was, it was an incursion that even the media has already said was reckless and pointless in the long run and costed them gravely, so it was a bad move in the end.