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    Welches Mandat? Trumps Vorsprung bei der Volksabstimmung ist der geringste seit Bush-Gore

    https://www.salon.com/2024/11/20/what-mandate-popular-vote-lead-is-slimmest-since-bush-gore/

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    1. anticixx2 on

      He still won so 🤷‍♂️ 

      The whole narrative that he could never win the popular vote is dead forever. 

    2. AdrianInLimbo on

      But, many people are saying it’s the biggest mandate ever. In history. No other President has had such a mandate!
      /S

      (Then you show them both of President Obama’s electoral and popular margins, lol)

    3. fairoaks2 on

      Unfortunately the more Trump and his minions say “mandate” the more people believe it. Just like everything else he says.

    4. plz-let-me-in on

      Also, Kamala Harris is currently at 74,391,431 votes according to [Cook Political Report’s popular vote tracker](https://www.cookpolitical.com/vote-tracker/2024/electoral-college), which means she has now has received more votes than Donald Trump when he lost in 2020 (he received 74,223,975 votes). This means Harris has overtaken Trump’s record as the losing candidate who received the most votes in a presidential election.

      Obviously she still lost the swing states and the Electoral College, but this election was not the blowout for Trump that everyone thought it was. That combined with the fact that Republicans will have the slimmest majority in the House means that I don’t think Trump will be able to get much of his legislative priorities achieved through Congress in his second term. What mandate?

    5. PopeHonkersXII on

      What does it matter? If he doesn’t have one then he’ll run into political headwinds very quickly and if he does, then he’ll get away with a lot of shit. What’s going to happen is going to happen and op eds arguing this or that make zero difference 

    6. bulldg4life on

      The gop controls all three branches of government. Shut up about a few percentage points. I’m as liberal as they come and this is the stupidest goddamn argument.

    7. LeftInRight61 on

      Did Democrats spend too much time trying getting Harris elected, and not enough time trying to win the Senate? Democrats are worried about the President becoming a dictator, and then act like there aren’t two other equal branches of our government. We overvalue the Presidency as if it’s the voice of the people, when the Senate is more representative of the voices. If Trump has a “mandate,” it’s because the Senate will allow it.

    8. Genghis27KicksMyAss on

      Trump is going to take America to a Bergdorf’s dressing room. Let us each guard our pussy from Trump’s national man date.

    9. AgeOfSmith on

      The only mandate going on here is Trump and Musk hitting McDonalds

    11. donkeybrisket on

      Winning POTUS, and both houses of Congress is the mandate, dummy. What the MAGA clowns end up doing with their trifecta is hopefully nothing, but they will likely cause enough chaos that it will take years to undo the damage

    12. ViolettaQueso on

      Seems to me, the one screaming loudest about fake news and demanding to control First Amendment provisions to anyone not him I suppose is the one who is most culpable of both.

    14. -Neeckin- on

      To the average person what difference does it make when he has a majority on all levels? This feels like cope scooped out of the barrels bottom

    15. socokid on

      LOL Donald said he had a mandate in 2016, too, when he lost the popular vote.

      …

      The idea that his words mean anything is the laughable part. He has destroyed everything with his superlatives and bullshit.

      Everything.

    16. slim-scsi on

      Remember, America, we let this known public nuisance into our own front doors. Right now, we wouldn’t have to hear/read about MAGA anymore if 10-15 million Biden voters made the slightest effort to vote.

    17. Fair_Weight_6901 on

      Does it matter?? If he’d lost they would say he won, if he wins by a slim margin, they say it’s a landslide.

    18. KwisatzHaderachPaul on

      Yeah, we can say that all we want, but the trifecta unfortunately says otherwise.

    19. ArchangelsThundrbird on

      Not to mention Trump’s EC victory was small, 43 out of 60 elections had a larger margin.

    20. Internal-Weather8191 on

      And we all know the truth about Bush-Gore now, don’t we?
      (Also stating in advance that just as then, the fact I bring this up does not change the fact no one is breaking windows or smearing s**t in govt buildings- not now nor did they then.)

    21. the_wessi on

      “B” Movie by Gil Scott-Heron (1981):

      Well, the first thing I want to say is: Mandate my ass! Because it seems as though we’ve been convinced that 26% of the registered voters, not even 26% of the American people, but 26% of the registered voters form a mandate or a landslide

      21% voted for Skippy and 3, 4% voted for somebody else who might have been running

    23. Money_Cost_2213 on

      It’s time to fix the voting system. Let the popular vote dictate the politicians we elect. If he won the popular vote then so be it. Not my ideal choice but if it’s what the majority of us asked for then I can’t argue.
      But this current electoral college bullshit needs to end. It forces the entire campaign to be focuses on the extreme tails of the bell curve. Our elected politicians should be trying to get every Americans vote. Not just the votes of a hand full of states.

    24. nernst79 on

      He won every single swing state, and Republicans won Both Houses of Congress.

      Plus, a Republican winning the popular vote *at all* speaks volumes.

      I hate Trump and Republicans in general, but, the people of the US, especially Democrat voters, need to be honest about what happened here, in order to learn from it and not make the same choices in the future. *

      * Assuming that D leadership actually cares, which is highly debatable. They seem fairly content just collecting corporate donor money.

    25. HelpfulNotUnhelpful on

      Only if you count California humans the same as Wyoming humans, which is obviously a ridiculous way to count votes. /s

    26. waddletotheendzone on

      *Mandates aren’t real things!!*

      People need to listen to Jon Stewart on this. The Republicans are going to do whatever they want, however they can, no matter how many votes they win by because they understand that *mandates aren’t real* and they act like it. They aren’t going to back down from their agenda just because they didn’t reach some magical popular vote threshold.

      Would be real nice if the Dems acted the same way.

    27. BigBoiBenisBlueBalls on

      The mandate that gives him control over the entire government. That one

    29. Gingersaurus_Rex96 on

      Fascism 101: Keeping telling lies and they’ll eventually become the truth.

    30. Mem3Master69 on

      It’s like watching a race and judging it by who took the most steps, popular vote doesn’t even matter and no candidate campaigned in super blue or red states. He absolutely does have a mandate and liberals need to stop coping.

    31. Wermys on

      Going to be honest. This is a lie, he lost the popular vote and won in 2016. So its the second slimmest. Facts matter!

    32. KillahHills10304 on

      Alright Dems, time to push back hard on this mandate messaging. Grow a spine and get out there. The perceived rolling over is getting real tired, Dems.

    33. Texas1010 on

      Yet conservatives keep saying he’s won by the largest margin in decades, which is untrue from both a popular vote and electoral vote perspective. But they are too delusional they don’t care.

    34. LightWarrior_2000 on

      Don’t matter. With an ego like Trump. Trump could win the popular vote by one. And he’s know how to make a mountain out of it.

    35. SpaceCowboy34 on

      The whole mandate concept has always been stupid. Has a politician or party ever not pursued their agenda because they want by a certain percentage?

    36. Critically32 on

      The mandate is manufactured. Democrats are so weak they’ll just take it, though. D: It’s not a mandate! R: Yes, it is. D: Ok, you win again.

    37. TriLink710 on

      It does not matter. Popular vote means very little in america, and most democracies for that matter.

      His party controls all major branches of govt and the courts. He can do whatever he wants. He is even appointing loyalists as his first term he was held back by principled republicans, something that nobody sees happening now.

    38. schu4KSU on

      It’s not so much that the American electorate has given Trump a mandate for authoritarianism as they have given him the means to authoritarianism.

    39. LumberghLSU on

      It’s still a popular vote win. I don’t care if it’s by 1 vote, it’s stake through the heart. This should not have been close.

    40. Conky2Thousand on

      It’s weird that we now consider simply winning an election by the metrics this would normally be decided in democratic systems (the popular vote) to grant a mandate to the winner, but this logic only applies to Republicans.

    41. BundtJamesBundt on

      It’s a sweep of all four houses of power, don’t be so picky about semantics. Democrats did not show up this year. Nobody to blame but yourselves

    43. I_like_baseball90 on

      He STILL won the popular vote, even if it’s by one vote.

      We live in a country of fucking morons.

    44. KapnKrumpin on

      It’s sad that the democrats have stooped to arguing about how bad they lost.

      Im no fan of trump but guys, the fact is democrats lost. Big time. Barely a third of states voted for kamala, and Republicans have the white house, senate, house, and supreme court. And yes, democrats even lost the popular vote.

      The sooner you admit that and try and figure out how to keep it from happening, the better.

    45. Difficult_Zone6457 on

      Let them keep thinking they have a mandate. It will blow up bigly in the midterms

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