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12 Comments
Yes, the Conservative proposals suck but the status quo is endangering the public and is causing us to lose faith in the system.
Come up with a bail reform alternative so we don’t have people out on bail [having gunfights in our streets](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/police-associations-call-for-immediate-action-on-bail-reform-after-toronto-gunfight-1.7108673).
Come up with a sentencing reform alternative so we don’t have people jailed for only [three years for filming themselves raping a child](https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/b-c-sexual-assault-case) and who in court declared he doesn’t believe in the concept of consent.
Yes, criminals have rights but so do the law-abiding members of society and the victims. These rights are not in balance at the moment, and the Conservatives — as flawed as their plans may be — are the only ones presenting a solution.
How about we massively fix the housing and affordability crisis. Crime tends to increase with economic instability. We can’t just address bail reform without deeply addressing the contributing factors
O’toole drove away any chances of my vote when he “promised” no inmates would receive vaccines before other citizens, completely abdicating responsibilities of care for both inmates but also correctional workers and their families.
Poilievre has no problem rubbing shoulders with criminals, white supremacists, and terrorists such as Diagonal, illegal occupiers of Ottawa, and James Topp on his AWOL March against following lawful orders.
Conservatives have zero moral authority when it comes to law and order. They see it as low-hanging votes.
> One of the biggest predictors of trial outcomes is release on bail. It’s almost impossible to prepare for trial or mount a real defence when you’re locked in pre-trial detention, cut off from family, lawyers, and any chance of a fair trial. And people in these torturous pre-trial conditions are much more likely to plead guilty to things they didn’t do just to end the suffering.
> Ford wants to deny bail to anyone accused of intimate partner violence. Do you know who can be charged with domestic abuse? Abused women. I’ve represented dozens of women charged with domestic assault by their abusive male partners. Two specific cases have kept me up at night, given Ford’s new bail proposals. Both women were charged with assault by their abusers – one hit her husband with a pillow, and the other splashed room-temperature water on hers. Both were arrested by police, charged, and prosecuted. Only after a year of waiting for their day in court did one woman have her charges dropped, while the other was acquitted.
> Under Ford’s proposal, both women would have automatically spent that year in jail – separated from their children, losing their jobs, and cut off from community support – all while Doug Ford would be standing by as a complicit accomplice in their continued abuse.
This is a damning point. At its most basic level a proposal to eliminate bail for certain offences destroys our criminal justice system’s presumption of innocence. Rather than the state having the burden of proving, beyond a reasonable doubt, a person’s guilt before depriving them of their liberty; the mere fact that charges have been made against someone will give them an automatic and mandatory sentence of one to three years in a hellish jail environment. A sentence which will have an irreparable effect on their life, even if the case against them is found to utterly lack merit and they would have been at no risk of committing another offence or interfering with the administration of justice if released from custody.
For those accused and with a history of intimate partner violence in particular, the accused already has a reverse onus of establishing that they should be granted bail, and judges will almost always create strict bail conditions to protect victims where necessary. More can and should be done to protect the public, and funding must be increased to do so, but the solution of locking everyone up before so much as a single court appearance is not the right solution.
its a difficult moral problem. on one hand bad guys need to be in jail and locked up, no bail. but on the other hand innocent until proven guilty and if someone is presumed innocent they shouldn’t be in jail. we have seen instances of people accused of murder out on bail. [https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/hunter-accused-killer-of-nigerian-immigrant-was-ta-da-out-on-bail](https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/hunter-accused-killer-of-nigerian-immigrant-was-ta-da-out-on-bail) there has to be no bail for specific crimes. it just has to be that way in my opinion. as soon as charges are laid, that means there is evidence.
The federal government already changed bail conditions in Jan 2024 so I’m not sure what Harper junior is talking about, he is just repeating what has already has changed, 80% of people in jail now haven’t even been found guilty of any crime they are waiting on a court date, how about hire more judges rather just lock people up for over 2 years before they even see a trial, most people plead guilty after a few months just to get out rather than wait 2 years to go to trial. Crime guilty stats have to be high in order to justify their budgets, the justice system employs a lot of people so either your on the inside and get off of everything or your on the outside and are used as a pawn in a game. BS system justice is fraud
I think what Canadians need to be careful about is.. what is being given up to have the thing they want. The last time the CPC went “tough on crime” it increased the justice system costs by 80% which is why we are here today. For giggles, last proper costing of the system was in 2012. By that point federal inmates cost $118k/yr to start, increasing depending on security level and maxing out with women prisoners. Provincial inmates cost $67k/yr. And those in the community (bail, house arrest, etc) cost $18k/yr. So you can see the savings or alternatively… What will increase.
This isn’t even factoring in the infrastructure which is lacking, both in amounts needed for what people want and in maintenance. Ask Ontario how much we’ve recently spent on new and renovated prisons. Thunder Bay cost over $1B and the other 2 new ones and 3 renovated ones we aren’t allowed to know the price tag on, even through FOI.. all we got to learn is that the latest injection was $500M🙃
So, ask yourself who benefits from tough on crime more, and then make sure that you are okay with it when you still want it.
This is why left-of-centre folks need to step up and sort out the issues we have ASAP. If we don’t then the conservatives will give it a try their way.
Issue is snobbish people need to realize there has been a ton of issues if violent offender getting bail and doing high profile crimes.
This undermines trust in the system
They couldn’t “jail not bail” anyway even if they were in charge.
They don’t decide what becomes law. The Senate & Governor General does & they can’t “police” how a judicial system in provinces carries out law.
Federal Govt can’t interfere in the provinces at all.
So if someone is wrongfully accused and denied bail, can they seek redress from the state for what amounts to unwarranted incarceration? We could start, at say, $5000 a day for unwarranted imprisonment. Any injuries suffered in imprison could, say, quadruple that amount for every day of recovery.
If you get out on bail and there is proper conditions and you go to trial in a few weeks or a month then bail isn’t a problem. If you don’t go to trial for a year and a half, then that’s a problem.
Focus on making the courts run properly. The bail problem will sort itself out.