He is right, no one will bomb Russia with nuclear weapons, but it is necessary to have nuclear weapons so that Russia cannot threaten Ukraine with nuclear weapons with impunity.
UnluckySeed on
About time. We gave our nukes for security agreements and they were never fullfilled because West is scared of “escalation”. If West can’t protect us, we will protect outselves. We started making ballistic missiles 2 months ago, we had nukes before, so we have technology and engineers to make them again. It doesn’t have to be the best nuke, just powerful enough to call it a nuke.
I fully support him in this speech, we need to end this war and if we can’t rely on our allies – we make nuclear weapons.
The problem is that they have neither at the moment and won’t get neither during the war. It is an option for the time after the war to prevent the next. But this war has to be won without.
Nokilos on
I’m pretty sure he means ‘For Now, We’re Choosing NATO’, just won’t say it outright. And he’s right to think that. As things stand now, if you’re not in a defensive alliance and/or have nukes, it’s free real estate.
Honestly, I wonder what the chances of mystery nukes getting launched from an unexpected direction are, if things get too dire. Probably non-zero.
PoutineSmash on
Both at the same time works. I trust the Ukrainians judgement can propelly handle nukes
Half-Shark on
Solid argument. Just a shame he’s being forced to play this card and we didn’t do the polite thing and help more earlier.
Born-Wolverine-5218 on
Why not both
FrisbyUfo on
What are we going to do to stop them? Sanctions? Hahahaha their economy has been bombed for 2 years now. Threaten military action? hahahha they have been fighting the Russians and doing very well at it for 2 years.
Either let them into NATO or accept they will have their own nukes.
FalseNumber2708 on
He should have said, “Ukraine Has Two Options—Nuclear Weapons or NATO”.
Since 2022 the US, while helping, has also prevented UA from winning via restrictions on weapons and targets.
States using nuclear blackmail in order to be able to murder and steal with impunity cannot become a precedent.
I think that, in the end, a shock and awe campaign to defeat Russia and NKorea will be required to de-nuke them.
bezerko888 on
Why delay the inevitable. We all know these tyrant narcissistic sociopaths will destroy the planet when then fall.
Caligulaonreddit on
imho this is also what he told Biden and the cia and so they switched Johnson.
No conventional weapons for ukraine means a very high risk of nuclear war. As UAF may not hold the line without strong support and in case of loosing major cities, ukraine may nuke russia. and i am very sure they are capable, even now.
SasquatchPL on
I’m getting progressively more afraid that Ukraine will soon learn the hard lesson about the reliability of Western allies. The lesson, we in Central Europe have learned in the 40s.
rwrife on
Ukraine has the ability to build a nuclear bomb today, I wouldn’t be surprised if they are secretly working on the worst case backup plan.
Serious_Dealer9683 on
Better to get nukes…
lurkingtheshadows on
According to ruzzia its just a SMO, so shouldn’t they be able to just join NATO?
bier00t on
NATO is not enough. All European countries should start thinking of their own nukes – this is the only language russia understands
alhaigthomas on
…which begs the question: would we rather see a few nuclear bombs go off in Russia and then logically in Ukraine, than risk our soldiers on the front line? Does the first scrnario not lead to the second quite quickly?…
alhaigthomas on
The West’s fear of escalation is a waste of energy as escalation is what we have whether we like it or not…
dubblies on
You need to go nuclear unfortunately NATO doesnt seem to give many fucks.
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Error_404_403 on
Right choice.
Accurate-Love- on
I would love to see them be a part of NATO. They have proven themselves against a country that the world once saw as a powerhouse. They have my vote.
GloryToAzov on
before this war it would be better to go nuke than to rely on bunch of bureaucrats…
now we need to defeat russia conventionally
GreenBlueMarine on
The thing which the West doesn’t get or pretends to not understand is that it’s an existential war for Ukraine. We don’t have a luxure of losing this war, because losing this war means death of Ukrainian state and Ukrainian nation with millions Urainian tortured and murdered. So if the West is unwilling to fulfill its obligations under the Budapesht momarandum, Ukraine has no other choise than to make its own nukes. Then if we will be slaughtered by Russia with the rest of the world watching with indififferece us being butchered, we will at least nuke the hell out of Russia as well. Ukraine will not let be butchered in silence like a livestock.
Ok_Caregiver1004 on
In the long history of nuclear proliferation, every nation that has ever gotten them besides the US and UK did so secretly until they were operational and it was too late to do anything about them.
My favorite being France, rubbing it in the face of the UK and US when they got theirs.
tismschism on
How long will it take for them to develop nukes? Surely not for the remainder of the war? Ingenuity or not, that can’t be a realistic option right now.
Diligent_Excitement4 on
Choose nukes. NATO won’t help
_-Moonsabie-_ on
There is a third, the IRA
Prok- on
Better both
Psychological-Part1 on
And I choose you zelensky! One day this man should lead NATO
Pretend-Recording-21 on
Ukraine must develop nuclear weapons- best path is to get a ‘helping hand’ from a nuclear weapons nation and there are only 9. France being the only one I could see helping. Sympathetic retired professionals from US & UK who are familiar with how to do it can help as well. Second best option is to have sufficiently good missiles as to target the 11 Russian nuclear power stations with conventional weapons!
Alternative-Film-155 on
what about nuclear nato 😀
Dry_Complaint_5549 on
This is the argument I have been trying to get people around me to understand. If the West bails on Ukraine, they are 100% within their rights to use any and all means at their disposal to save the nation and preserve themselves and the great Ukrainian people. That includes any nuclear weapons that may or may not be ready, hidden, able, standing by……to be used.
Suspicious-Low-719 on
Damn…They have nukes again….They are just telling the world, “We tried peace (giving up nukes), and Russia and the US broke their promise.”
batvinis on
Nukes are obvious choice can’t bet on NATO.
DevelopmentOk3627 on
Why not both? Poland and the Baltics wouldn’t say no either.
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Either one will give ruzzians hell
He is right, no one will bomb Russia with nuclear weapons, but it is necessary to have nuclear weapons so that Russia cannot threaten Ukraine with nuclear weapons with impunity.
About time. We gave our nukes for security agreements and they were never fullfilled because West is scared of “escalation”. If West can’t protect us, we will protect outselves. We started making ballistic missiles 2 months ago, we had nukes before, so we have technology and engineers to make them again. It doesn’t have to be the best nuke, just powerful enough to call it a nuke.
I fully support him in this speech, we need to end this war and if we can’t rely on our allies – we make nuclear weapons.
Ukraine needs nuclear weapons. Allies aren’t reliable.
The problem is that they have neither at the moment and won’t get neither during the war. It is an option for the time after the war to prevent the next. But this war has to be won without.
I’m pretty sure he means ‘For Now, We’re Choosing NATO’, just won’t say it outright. And he’s right to think that. As things stand now, if you’re not in a defensive alliance and/or have nukes, it’s free real estate.
Honestly, I wonder what the chances of mystery nukes getting launched from an unexpected direction are, if things get too dire. Probably non-zero.
Both at the same time works. I trust the Ukrainians judgement can propelly handle nukes
Solid argument. Just a shame he’s being forced to play this card and we didn’t do the polite thing and help more earlier.
Why not both
What are we going to do to stop them? Sanctions? Hahahaha their economy has been bombed for 2 years now. Threaten military action? hahahha they have been fighting the Russians and doing very well at it for 2 years.
Either let them into NATO or accept they will have their own nukes.
He should have said, “Ukraine Has Two Options—Nuclear Weapons or NATO”.
Since 2022 the US, while helping, has also prevented UA from winning via restrictions on weapons and targets.
States using nuclear blackmail in order to be able to murder and steal with impunity cannot become a precedent.
I think that, in the end, a shock and awe campaign to defeat Russia and NKorea will be required to de-nuke them.
Why delay the inevitable. We all know these tyrant narcissistic sociopaths will destroy the planet when then fall.
imho this is also what he told Biden and the cia and so they switched Johnson.
No conventional weapons for ukraine means a very high risk of nuclear war. As UAF may not hold the line without strong support and in case of loosing major cities, ukraine may nuke russia. and i am very sure they are capable, even now.
I’m getting progressively more afraid that Ukraine will soon learn the hard lesson about the reliability of Western allies. The lesson, we in Central Europe have learned in the 40s.
Ukraine has the ability to build a nuclear bomb today, I wouldn’t be surprised if they are secretly working on the worst case backup plan.
Better to get nukes…
According to ruzzia its just a SMO, so shouldn’t they be able to just join NATO?
NATO is not enough. All European countries should start thinking of their own nukes – this is the only language russia understands
…which begs the question: would we rather see a few nuclear bombs go off in Russia and then logically in Ukraine, than risk our soldiers on the front line? Does the first scrnario not lead to the second quite quickly?…
The West’s fear of escalation is a waste of energy as escalation is what we have whether we like it or not…
You need to go nuclear unfortunately NATO doesnt seem to give many fucks.
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Right choice.
I would love to see them be a part of NATO. They have proven themselves against a country that the world once saw as a powerhouse. They have my vote.
before this war it would be better to go nuke than to rely on bunch of bureaucrats…
now we need to defeat russia conventionally
The thing which the West doesn’t get or pretends to not understand is that it’s an existential war for Ukraine. We don’t have a luxure of losing this war, because losing this war means death of Ukrainian state and Ukrainian nation with millions Urainian tortured and murdered. So if the West is unwilling to fulfill its obligations under the Budapesht momarandum, Ukraine has no other choise than to make its own nukes. Then if we will be slaughtered by Russia with the rest of the world watching with indififferece us being butchered, we will at least nuke the hell out of Russia as well. Ukraine will not let be butchered in silence like a livestock.
In the long history of nuclear proliferation, every nation that has ever gotten them besides the US and UK did so secretly until they were operational and it was too late to do anything about them.
My favorite being France, rubbing it in the face of the UK and US when they got theirs.
How long will it take for them to develop nukes? Surely not for the remainder of the war? Ingenuity or not, that can’t be a realistic option right now.
Choose nukes. NATO won’t help
There is a third, the IRA
Better both
And I choose you zelensky! One day this man should lead NATO
Ukraine must develop nuclear weapons- best path is to get a ‘helping hand’ from a nuclear weapons nation and there are only 9. France being the only one I could see helping. Sympathetic retired professionals from US & UK who are familiar with how to do it can help as well. Second best option is to have sufficiently good missiles as to target the 11 Russian nuclear power stations with conventional weapons!
what about nuclear nato 😀
This is the argument I have been trying to get people around me to understand. If the West bails on Ukraine, they are 100% within their rights to use any and all means at their disposal to save the nation and preserve themselves and the great Ukrainian people. That includes any nuclear weapons that may or may not be ready, hidden, able, standing by……to be used.
Damn…They have nukes again….They are just telling the world, “We tried peace (giving up nukes), and Russia and the US broke their promise.”
Nukes are obvious choice can’t bet on NATO.
Why not both? Poland and the Baltics wouldn’t say no either.