Dumb. We don’t care if you’re Jewish. If you support imperialism, apartheid rule and the killing/displacement of innocent families you will be called out on it here, whether you’re Jewish or not.
We know not every Israeli is evil, just as we know not every Palestinian is innocent.
As it has been said many many times anti-Zionist does not mean anti-Semitic.
Edit: the number of downvotes on this shows that propaganda, like this article, REALLY works. How many of you have actually been to Ireland?
Mental_Magikarp on
Correction: zionists in Ireland feel like they can’t express their genocidal thinking without being judged.
Palestinians in Palestine ARE under siege.
ChucklesInDarwinism on
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Intrepid-Necessary64 on
The shit storm from both sides, Hamas are terrorist scum and use their people as human shield but Isreal should never be just throwing bombs at innocent people who are already suffering. Condemn Hamas but also condemn the IDF for their shit too, both have caused suffering and pain.
KoolKat5000 on
I can understand why they feel this way. Anecdotally had a discussion with a close friend and the only thing I said was that the whole situation is fucked up cause there’s bad guys on both sides. They became vicious, called me a “stupid cunt”. Like holy crap I didn’t even pick a side or say something contentious, it’s factual. A lot of people in Ireland are being radicalised by the way it’s communicated in the Irish media to be extreme about it, only have to go look at the cesspit/echo-chamber that is r/Ireland.
FinancialRecording34 on
Got to love the people here coming up with justifications why it’s completely fine to make Jews feel threatened. Scum.
amazingsod on
All three of them
san_murezzan on
The problem is that for a huge number (obviously not all) of Irish people they pretend like they’re the only people to have a rough history and have some special moral authority because of it
BarFamiliar5892 on
Irish person here, I completely agree with him. There are people who have taken the current situation in the Middle East to let their antisemitism to run rampant. And they’re not getting called out on it.
sonasche on
Are we still confusing antisemitic with antiisraelitgovernment?
lisp584 on
A direct result of the Israeli government’s cynical practice of claiming everyone who opposes zionism and actions of the Israeli state is antisemitic. It blurred the lines between the state and the religion.
ennisa22 on
If you walk around Ireland with an Israeli flag, you’re probably going to be called out for it. If you walk around with a yamaka, no one will bat an eye or threaten you in any way.
There is a huge difference.
SalvaBee0 on
I feel like that statement could apply to basically any country in Western Europe.
No_Priors on
No one should criticise Jews for being Jews; but Zionists of any religion should be called out.
Mcwedlav on
As a person that has Jewish family in Ireland: Yes, this is sadly true. They had to take one of the kids out of public school, because after October 7th, it just became too crazy to deal with this, especially if you want to keep on studying on top of that. I am obviously aware that a feeling of security is something subjective, and that others might have acted differently, but the stories I heard from them were pretty scary.
As a result, the kid now visits the Jewish school, which her parents never wanted to, because they are non-religious and secular. That’s how segregation is created.
Donkeybreadth on
I am Irish and I have never met a Jewish person. There are maybe a couple of thousand of them in the whole country and they are not identifiable.
That’s not to excuse any kind of anti Semitism, but the number of incidents that directly involve Jewish people must be in the single figures.
Snoo44080 on
Irish person here. I don’t know why the Jewish people in Ireland feel under siege tbh. There’s a ris in conservative thinking, like across all of Europe. I don’t feel it’s explicitly targeted against Jewish people any more than other countries ATM…
With everything going on it’s somewhat implied that this is due to the conflict in Gaza. I don’t understand why ones religion would tie them to the actions of another country’s government. It doesn’t make sense to me and I can’t justify an argument around this as a concept.
I think the majority stance in Ireland is simply that Israel is conducting its counter-offensive in an objectively horrendous way. Of course Israel have the right to defend themselves and conduct a counter-offensive. Given that they are on of the most well funded militaries on the planet it’s clear now though that much of this aggression is targeted against the people of Gaza, and not necessarily the terrorists. It’s beyond wreckless and is really quite monstrous.
I also feel that Israel have not made any real efforts to prevent this from happening, there’s an extreme wealth gap between the two regions, serious exploitation from Israel. It’s no surprise that radicalization would grow in these circumstances. Now Israel are making innocent people pay with their lives at a hugely disproportionate scale.
Their actions have really ruined the possibility of peace, this conflict will have centuries long implications for the region. They don’t seem to have any real intention of stopping either until all of Gaza is destroyed and they occupy it.
It’s like the US reaction to 2001, it’s not really justified, and will cost everyone a huge amount in the long run. At least the US made an attempt to use precision strikes etc… though, and didn’t carpet bomb (much) of densely populated civilian areas…
RHBear on
Imagine how Gazans feel atm in their own house.
LegitimateCompote377 on
Honestly it very much depends on what kind of pro Palestinian you talk to. Most are very chill, but only the bad eggs (which are a substantial minority, just like the Settler colonialists in the pro Israel camp) get all the attention. The only Jewish person I met didn’t face any discrimination whatsoever, but I haven’t talked to them after the war.
People just need to learn how awful bigotry is, and people that say shit like “no wonder Israel was created by Western Powers, they wanted to dump them anywhere but their streets” or “why is it that no country is accepting Palestinians? It’s almost as if nobody wants them because they’re a horrid uncivilised people that cause trouble everywhere they go” and it’s absolutely awful. Although it’s not word for word I’ve seen people basically type what I’ve just said online pretty much all the time.
Broad-Boat-8483 on
Conflating anti-Israeli sentiment with anti-Semitism is devaluing the term anti-Semitic. Irish people are broadly opposed to Israel’s apartheid and colonial attitude in Palestine because of parallels to irelands own historical colonisation. To frame that anti-colonial sentiment as anti semitism only serves to undermine criticism of actual anti-semitism, which only hurts the Jewish people in the long run.
hybridhuman17 on
How is it possible to be the victim and prepetator at the same time.
Ragnarok3246 on
The people in gaza are under siege. Without food, medical aid or any help against an invader that burns their homes and murders children. Jesus fuck this eternal victim card
Middle_Trouble_7884 on
While it’s not a good situation, this is what usually happens. Due to ISIS and other terrorist organizations, anti-Muslim hate increases, regardless of individual beliefs, as some people conflate all Muslims with terrorists. Similarly, Israel’s actions have led to a rise in antisemitism, as some cannot distinguish between Jews and Israel’s policies. To some extent, Israel’s leadership has contributed to this issue by labeling anyone who criticizes them as antisemitic, which has only increased the number of genuine antisemites
The situation must be addressed regardless of faith, but censorship isn’t the best solution; education is more effective. Just as criticizing a Muslim-majority country isn’t necessarily anti-Muslim hate, discussing or criticizing Israel shouldn’t be completely prohibited, as some countries like Germany are enforcing, unless it’s clearly and undeniably for anti-Semitic reasons
Also, please send less police to beat up pro-Palestinian protesters, and send more police to protect synagogues and Jewish-related places
Cool_Control_6180 on
I unironcally read the controversial posts on this topic because there’s a lot of effort being put into steering this narrative. Look at the numbers of the two sides, casualties and suffering, who’s the victim in this, it’s not that hard for people even to add the math together.
gerhardsymons on
Forgive my ignorance, but isn’t this the Europe that some people who believe in Judaism wanted: an abolition of the nation state, a utopia of all people living in harmony?
unsubtlewoods on
If they are taking the stance of the Israeli government, then to them seeing pro Palestinian protests is the equivalent of anti Jewish protests. They are not. I can protest the bombing of innocent civilians and still be perfectly happy socialising with my Jewish friends.
ADL in America is claiming a drastic rise in antisemitism but they are counting pro Palestine sentiment as antisemitism (exactly how the Israeli government wants it).
Funny-Bit-4148 on
If you threaten a Jewish minority in your country, they will feel unsafe and make aliyah back to Israel… and since there is severe scarcity of land, what will happen next … you can guess it.
So if you are pro muslim/ Palestine, better treat Jews nicely . It is a long-term strategy!
This is how there are Iranian Jews, Arab Jews and many other Middle Eastern Jews who ended in Israel.
Empathy and respect are solutions.
RubDue9412 on
Why should they what’s going on in the Israeli Palestinian conflict is nothing to do with them.
Batmanforreal2 on
Jewish.. riiiight. Its not anti Semitism to be anti nazi
TitsMaggie69 on
Oh the bots are out.
avdepa on
Seige: **a military blockade of a city or fortified place to compel it to surrender**.
like this you mean?
How awful! How can people do such a thing?
Tdavis13245 on
Just remember, being anti Israel shittyness is counted as hating jews in a lot of these types of reports. So complete bull shit and propaganda. The article says they FEEL bad because of “lack of equality on the mid east debate.” Propaganda
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Dumb. We don’t care if you’re Jewish. If you support imperialism, apartheid rule and the killing/displacement of innocent families you will be called out on it here, whether you’re Jewish or not.
We know not every Israeli is evil, just as we know not every Palestinian is innocent.
As it has been said many many times anti-Zionist does not mean anti-Semitic.
Edit: the number of downvotes on this shows that propaganda, like this article, REALLY works. How many of you have actually been to Ireland?
Correction: zionists in Ireland feel like they can’t express their genocidal thinking without being judged.
Palestinians in Palestine ARE under siege.
Paywall ☹️
The shit storm from both sides, Hamas are terrorist scum and use their people as human shield but Isreal should never be just throwing bombs at innocent people who are already suffering. Condemn Hamas but also condemn the IDF for their shit too, both have caused suffering and pain.
I can understand why they feel this way. Anecdotally had a discussion with a close friend and the only thing I said was that the whole situation is fucked up cause there’s bad guys on both sides. They became vicious, called me a “stupid cunt”. Like holy crap I didn’t even pick a side or say something contentious, it’s factual. A lot of people in Ireland are being radicalised by the way it’s communicated in the Irish media to be extreme about it, only have to go look at the cesspit/echo-chamber that is r/Ireland.
Got to love the people here coming up with justifications why it’s completely fine to make Jews feel threatened. Scum.
All three of them
The problem is that for a huge number (obviously not all) of Irish people they pretend like they’re the only people to have a rough history and have some special moral authority because of it
Irish person here, I completely agree with him. There are people who have taken the current situation in the Middle East to let their antisemitism to run rampant. And they’re not getting called out on it.
Are we still confusing antisemitic with antiisraelitgovernment?
A direct result of the Israeli government’s cynical practice of claiming everyone who opposes zionism and actions of the Israeli state is antisemitic. It blurred the lines between the state and the religion.
If you walk around Ireland with an Israeli flag, you’re probably going to be called out for it. If you walk around with a yamaka, no one will bat an eye or threaten you in any way.
There is a huge difference.
I feel like that statement could apply to basically any country in Western Europe.
No one should criticise Jews for being Jews; but Zionists of any religion should be called out.
As a person that has Jewish family in Ireland: Yes, this is sadly true. They had to take one of the kids out of public school, because after October 7th, it just became too crazy to deal with this, especially if you want to keep on studying on top of that. I am obviously aware that a feeling of security is something subjective, and that others might have acted differently, but the stories I heard from them were pretty scary.
As a result, the kid now visits the Jewish school, which her parents never wanted to, because they are non-religious and secular. That’s how segregation is created.
I am Irish and I have never met a Jewish person. There are maybe a couple of thousand of them in the whole country and they are not identifiable.
That’s not to excuse any kind of anti Semitism, but the number of incidents that directly involve Jewish people must be in the single figures.
Irish person here. I don’t know why the Jewish people in Ireland feel under siege tbh. There’s a ris in conservative thinking, like across all of Europe. I don’t feel it’s explicitly targeted against Jewish people any more than other countries ATM…
With everything going on it’s somewhat implied that this is due to the conflict in Gaza. I don’t understand why ones religion would tie them to the actions of another country’s government. It doesn’t make sense to me and I can’t justify an argument around this as a concept.
I think the majority stance in Ireland is simply that Israel is conducting its counter-offensive in an objectively horrendous way. Of course Israel have the right to defend themselves and conduct a counter-offensive. Given that they are on of the most well funded militaries on the planet it’s clear now though that much of this aggression is targeted against the people of Gaza, and not necessarily the terrorists. It’s beyond wreckless and is really quite monstrous.
I also feel that Israel have not made any real efforts to prevent this from happening, there’s an extreme wealth gap between the two regions, serious exploitation from Israel. It’s no surprise that radicalization would grow in these circumstances. Now Israel are making innocent people pay with their lives at a hugely disproportionate scale.
Their actions have really ruined the possibility of peace, this conflict will have centuries long implications for the region. They don’t seem to have any real intention of stopping either until all of Gaza is destroyed and they occupy it.
It’s like the US reaction to 2001, it’s not really justified, and will cost everyone a huge amount in the long run. At least the US made an attempt to use precision strikes etc… though, and didn’t carpet bomb (much) of densely populated civilian areas…
Imagine how Gazans feel atm in their own house.
Honestly it very much depends on what kind of pro Palestinian you talk to. Most are very chill, but only the bad eggs (which are a substantial minority, just like the Settler colonialists in the pro Israel camp) get all the attention. The only Jewish person I met didn’t face any discrimination whatsoever, but I haven’t talked to them after the war.
People just need to learn how awful bigotry is, and people that say shit like “no wonder Israel was created by Western Powers, they wanted to dump them anywhere but their streets” or “why is it that no country is accepting Palestinians? It’s almost as if nobody wants them because they’re a horrid uncivilised people that cause trouble everywhere they go” and it’s absolutely awful. Although it’s not word for word I’ve seen people basically type what I’ve just said online pretty much all the time.
Conflating anti-Israeli sentiment with anti-Semitism is devaluing the term anti-Semitic. Irish people are broadly opposed to Israel’s apartheid and colonial attitude in Palestine because of parallels to irelands own historical colonisation. To frame that anti-colonial sentiment as anti semitism only serves to undermine criticism of actual anti-semitism, which only hurts the Jewish people in the long run.
How is it possible to be the victim and prepetator at the same time.
The people in gaza are under siege. Without food, medical aid or any help against an invader that burns their homes and murders children. Jesus fuck this eternal victim card
While it’s not a good situation, this is what usually happens. Due to ISIS and other terrorist organizations, anti-Muslim hate increases, regardless of individual beliefs, as some people conflate all Muslims with terrorists. Similarly, Israel’s actions have led to a rise in antisemitism, as some cannot distinguish between Jews and Israel’s policies. To some extent, Israel’s leadership has contributed to this issue by labeling anyone who criticizes them as antisemitic, which has only increased the number of genuine antisemites
The situation must be addressed regardless of faith, but censorship isn’t the best solution; education is more effective. Just as criticizing a Muslim-majority country isn’t necessarily anti-Muslim hate, discussing or criticizing Israel shouldn’t be completely prohibited, as some countries like Germany are enforcing, unless it’s clearly and undeniably for anti-Semitic reasons
Also, please send less police to beat up pro-Palestinian protesters, and send more police to protect synagogues and Jewish-related places
I unironcally read the controversial posts on this topic because there’s a lot of effort being put into steering this narrative. Look at the numbers of the two sides, casualties and suffering, who’s the victim in this, it’s not that hard for people even to add the math together.
Forgive my ignorance, but isn’t this the Europe that some people who believe in Judaism wanted: an abolition of the nation state, a utopia of all people living in harmony?
If they are taking the stance of the Israeli government, then to them seeing pro Palestinian protests is the equivalent of anti Jewish protests. They are not. I can protest the bombing of innocent civilians and still be perfectly happy socialising with my Jewish friends.
ADL in America is claiming a drastic rise in antisemitism but they are counting pro Palestine sentiment as antisemitism (exactly how the Israeli government wants it).
If you threaten a Jewish minority in your country, they will feel unsafe and make aliyah back to Israel… and since there is severe scarcity of land, what will happen next … you can guess it.
So if you are pro muslim/ Palestine, better treat Jews nicely . It is a long-term strategy!
This is how there are Iranian Jews, Arab Jews and many other Middle Eastern Jews who ended in Israel.
Empathy and respect are solutions.
Why should they what’s going on in the Israeli Palestinian conflict is nothing to do with them.
Jewish.. riiiight. Its not anti Semitism to be anti nazi
Oh the bots are out.
Seige: **a military blockade of a city or fortified place to compel it to surrender**.
like this you mean?
How awful! How can people do such a thing?
Just remember, being anti Israel shittyness is counted as hating jews in a lot of these types of reports. So complete bull shit and propaganda. The article says they FEEL bad because of “lack of equality on the mid east debate.” Propaganda