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    1. EastSpecialist698 on

      I can’t say enough how little respect I have for Gerald butts and I blame his style of campaigning and vote engineering for accelerating our decline into political chaos.

    2. Deltarianus on

      >Housing prices are skyrocketing, lack of competition for basic services has sent theirs into the stratosphere, and governments of all stripes are spending lavishly but finding few solutions.

      Gerald Butts was part of the OLP government that created the greenbelt without changing zoning in Ontario. He posts proudly about his work on greenbelt on his website.

      He was also in the PMO of Justin Trudeau, whose radical expansion of immigration created a demand shock.

      Gerald Butts is one of the worst bureaucrats in Canadian history. His legacy is the worst housing crisis in the developed world. Yet he feels the idiotic impulse to lecture the rest of the country on what’s wrong.

      **Edit**: I forgot the fake refugee crisis plaguing Quebec that was caused by LPC changes to visa policies and Trudeau’s public image as soft on illegal immigration. A major source of provincial relations breaking down in Quebec he conveniently ignores

    3. Effective-Rooster881 on

      Ya i dont think so

      1) most of it belongs to natives

      2) it requires the rest of Canada to remain an economic crutch for Quebec

      3) they would have to give up the Montreal Canadians and not just rename – lol

    4. lastmanstandingx on

      Have they really thought this threw?

      We are a distinct culture that deserves its own country.

      The indigenous people of Quebec might want the vast majority of land mass in Quebec back.

    5. OutsideFlat1579 on

      He should have waited for the poll that just came out showing that the PLQ would win the next election if Pablo Rodriguez is the leader. The increase in support for the PQ has been due to voters wanting to turf the CAQ, not because support for sovereignty has gone up. Although, if Poilievre becomes PM he might be the biggest motivator in the history of Canada to cut ties. 

    6. sabres_guy on

      If it does come, It will very likely be under Pierre’s watch. I genuinely wonder how he’d respond. His base is very openly spiteful to the Province so if he tries anything but “fuck off” it won’t go well for him with the base.

    7. wednesdayware on

      So what percentage of the national debt goes with them? There’s a lot of property owned by the Federal government in Quebec. How about military, healthcare payments, pension etc?

      I suspect they haven’t crunched the numbers just yet.

    8. This is a great read, if only to get a reminder about how wedded the senior LPC cadre still is to the idea that things are still going fantastic in Canada and that the public is just delusional or being misled into not seeing it.

      However, he’s also not wrong in many of his observations, particularly that the LPC “lost sight of the need to make a consistent positive case for the country and the concomitant responsibility to build support for the unique national attributes that set Canada apart”. However, I think he misses the active role the LPC played in many ways in undermining a sense of national identity by focusing so heavily on negative historical points about Canada, rather than instances where we’ve come together.

      I think he’s also right when he says “[m]y read of the national mood in the rest of Canada is that we will not see a repeat of the Unity Rally of 1995.” I went to that unity rally, and I personally wouldn’t go again if something like that happened again, sadly. Probably a lot of us feel that way, like there’s nothing to fight for any more.

    9. Proof_Objective_5704 on

      I admit I didn’t read the article. But the main difference between separatism in the 90s and the potential for the question to be raised again is – the role the internet plays, and foreign interference and bots to manipulate public opinions.

      If the question comes up in a few years, foreign actors will try to *heavily* encourage separatist opinion. They will try to stoke division between Quebec and the rest of Canada.

      We know how hostile foreign governments try to push division within America, Britain, and certain identity groups etc. Unfortunately the relationship Canada-Quebec has potential to be terribly exploited. Especially because of the language divide, it would be so very easy to push misinformation on both sides. Scary thought.

    10. Before getting to the substance of this article, Butts saying that the LPC made a mistake by failing to continually make a case for Canada being a great nation is rather humourous. He was at the centre of the LPC for years, so any such failure is his personally, not just the failure of some third, multi-headed party.

      And the substance of this article means nothing without Butts taking about the clarity act. Yes, it is possible that the next sovereignty referendum will result in the separatists winning the vote, but the process for Quebec becoming it’s own country starts after that, the referendum is not the process. Without a look at how that act would moderate the chaos of a yes vote, this article is pointless, and I’d like the past 15 minutes back.

    11. BuffaloSufficient758 on

      Make partition a consequence of a yes vote. “As Canada is divisible, so is Quebec”. Any region that voted to stay, can stay. Offer a Nunavut-style territorial status to the indigenous peoples (esp the James Bay Cree).

    12. These articles are all batshit crazy. The only thing that is coming down the road that will make us miserable is the next Conservative government. Those people are not friends of the working Canadian. Quebec separatists are not a real threat at this point in time.

    13. Racines_II on

      This is a boomers dream. Fortunately, they are no longer enough to win this one.

      This paper is only there to attract attention, I was there in 1995 and there is no fever nor desire to have separation. That being said, the fall of Meech Lake agreement fuelled that passion so there is always a risk a federal Prime Minister could create the famous “conditions gagnantes”.

    14. Musicferret on

      All part of the Conservative plan. They’ll just keep trying to break everything while Trudeau is still in power.

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