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    Zum ersten Mal seit fast 50 Jahren übersteigt die Zahl der Todesfälle in Großbritannien die Zahl der Geburten | Nachrichten aus Großbritannien


    Zum ersten Mal seit fast 50 Jahren übersteigt die Zahl der Todesfälle in Großbritannien die Zahl der Geburten | Nachrichten aus Großbritannien

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/08/deaths-outstrip-births-in-uk-for-first-time-in-nearly-50-years

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    1. On_The_Blindside on

      It’s because no one wants to have kids, why would they?

      It’s obscenely expensive, childcare provision is SO oversubscribed (because there’s fuck all of it) that you’re having to sign up to nursery places even before you’ve had a 12 weeks scan around here for them to go at 1 year old, that’s a full 18 months early.

      Minumum maternity and paternity pay is utterly abysmal so you can’t even bond with your child once they’re born.

      Schools are falling apart due to RAAC, teachers are quitting in droves, the economy fucking sucks and no one can buy a fucking house.

      This is no surprise to anyone who has been paying attention, and without some BIG changes in wealth redistribution we’re going to be entirely fucked as a country.

    2. corbynista2029 on

      Does anyone have a meaningful solution to the demographic crisis? Feels like the developed world and some of the developing world are just sleepwalking into a massive population crash. Migration helps delay the problem, but it’s not going to work forever when other countries eventually face their own population crisis.

    3. mechanical-monkey on

      I’m a dad. I can tell you it’s a nightmare for childcare. You can’t get it and with both me and my partner having to work full time to keep the house afloat. It’s desperately needed. It’s a fortune for literally anything child related now as well. Honestly even a little bit of help would go long way for most people. I am the only one of my friend group with kids. No one else wants them. Why would they. All of the struggle one way or another with work life balance as it is. Kids just add to that.

      Just to be clear. I love my kids and would do anything for them. But it doesn’t stop it from being the single hardest and financially draining thing I’ve ever done.

    4. LordLucian on

      As someone who is a uk citizen born and bred I can reliably say that its because of a number of things ie: cost of food, cost of housing, feelings of general incompetence from almost every goverment department and the politics.

      I’m short people feel abandoned and helpless.

    5. IsWasMaybeAMefi on

      One of my daughters sees climate change and the state of the planet as a reason to not have kids.

      I do not disagree.

      My other daughter has two kids. I am scared about the world they will grow up into.

    6. Comfortable-Class576 on

      This won’t change until working families get free full-time childcare and houses are affordable again. It’s crazy that most young couples in London can’t even afford a second bedroom. Young people can’t find stability until they’re in their 30s or mid-30s, and by then, when they try to have kids, they face fertility issues that they wouldn’t have had at 28.

      I know loads of people who’d love to have 2 or 3 kids but stick with one because they can’t afford more or struggle to conceive in their 40s, and that’s probably cutting the number of babies in half.

    7. Cross_examination on

      Don’t worry. There will be plenty of births soon in the refugee hotels; poor people tend to have more kids. (This is not an invitation for racist comments).

    8. manuka_miyuki on

      2 nights ago my dad reminded me that he expects me to eventually give him the grandchildren he ‘wants and deserves’.

      i have bad genetics, can’t afford to live alone, can barely look after myself without feeling mentally exhausted, and live in a world where climate change is only getting worse and all of our foods are filled with micro plastics.

      tell me what child deserves to be born into a family like that. i would be a horrible, pessimistic mess of a parent and i’m not afraid to say that. a lot of these older people just don’t give a shit and can only see it from their experience of raising kids.

    10. newnortherner21 on

      There was a baby boom just after the second world war. About 78 years ago. Average life expectancy at birth is about that.

      Could that be a factor?

    11. Zanarkke on

      What a lot of people don’t seem to grasp is that part of the reason the NHS is on its knees is because the population is aging so rapidly now. It’s the sheer number of elderly patients that are coming to hospitals and cannot be safely discharged.

      The workforce is shrinking, whilst it supports this growing population of retired non productive members of society, who are holding onto their assets until death, death which is constantly being prolonged as they are being propped up by this workforce of tax payers.

      The only reason Japan isn’t on its knees is because it doesn’t have a purely publically funded health service.

    12. Reasoned_Watercress on

      I can just about feed and house myself. A whole ‘nother person? Lol no.

    13. thingsniceandgreen on

      The Industrial Revolution oversaw the biggest population boom ever, and like every boom there’s a bust. This is it. Humanity has reached a peak. What goes up must come down.

      I feel like if we start to force people to have babies just for the economy then let’s face it Capitalism is just a Ponzi scheme and we should, I don’t know, not expect a never ending cycle of profit and growth and maybe change our ways to a more circular economy instead.

    15. sbaldrick33 on

      Turns out when you make childcare unaffordable, two incomes a necessity, and any hope of an actual future an unattainable fantasy, people don’t want to have kids. Who knew?

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