Universelles Grundeinkommen: die schlechte Idee, die nie ganz stirbt

https://www.ft.com/content/27057ff2-e9b6-4630-a6ea-201e0f6d72d9

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  1. chris011992 on

    From the article: The idea of a universal basic income has long achieved the rare feat of seducing both the political left and the libertarian right. The redistribution involved in paying everyone an income without any conditions appeals to socialists, while the free-market right likes the absence of bureaucracy inherent in the policy. More recently, it has gained another support base among tech bros, who see it as the future in an idealised robotised world where there is no place for work.

    To date, however, boring mainstream economists have persuaded governments not to introduce a universal basic income at any scale by appealing to maths over ideals. When you run the numbers, either the level of basic income is pathetically low or the tax rates needed to fund a reasonable income would be unacceptable. Neither of these outcomes, nor a blend, is desirable.

    Before the pandemic, a comprehensive OECD study found that it would always “require very substantial tax rises if it were to be set at a meaningful level”. In the US, for example, the suggested $1,000 monthly payment for all 258mn adults would cost more than $3tn a year. That is roughly equivalent to the combined cost of US social security, Medicaid and Medicare, yet it would provide an income too low to prevent poverty.

    We just don’t need to give such payments to everyone at exorbitant cost unless the robots take all our jobs. And even then, let’s not fool ourselves that it would be a utopia.

  2. Desdinova_42 on

    A bad take on equity from Financial Times? How shall I recover from this shock?

  3. floopsyDoodle on

    The worst idea, other than every other idea we have on how to handle automation and the growing lack of need for labour while our population spikes, and our climate disasters have already started.

  4. Monkeyboogaloo on

    Give it to everyone, just tax it back so people earning more don’t recieve it.

  5. Otherwise-Sun2486 on

    There are still oh oh so so many bad ideas that literally passed and still haven’t been repealed to this day… that does nothing for the poor and everything to benefit the rich. And i don’t trust economists one bit they have been oh so wrong most of the time being no better than a coin flip. Can’t be a bad idea if it has never been done at a large scale before. But every single small scale experiment has been mostly a success

  6. Maybe if we had some sort of regulatory committee that was responsible for defining how automation exactly replaces employees, we can use that to pass a robot tax on corporations which we can then use to fund UBI…

    Think of all the lost tax revenue from companies replacing workers with taxable income with either automation or outsourcing.

  7. Milksteak_To_Go on

    Pray tell, Financial Times: how does one keep the global economy from grinding to a halt once AI and robotics really get cooking and half the planet is unemployed?

  8. In this week’s issue of Financial Times: *”Fuck you, I’ve got mine. What’s so hard to understand about that you degenerate poors?”*

  9. If no one has a job then no one will be able to purchase the goods and services that the company that automated their jobs sells. There will also be less tax dollars from income tax and sales tax.

    Will be interesting to see how capitalism cracks this nut.

  10. BureauOfBureaucrats on

    I have nothing in common with the typical target audience of the Financial Times. What’s good for their target audience is bad for me and vice versa. 

  11. mfmeitbual on

    Sigh.

    The author of this needs to read Capital by Marx. Say what you will about Marx’s proposed solutions to the problems capitalism represents but his critiques are completely accurate.

    100 years ago, someone once hypothesized that the growth of the phone system would necessitate hiring every woman in America as a phone operator. The invention of the integrated circuit and packet-switched network obviated most of that quite effectively. This same fate will befall most of the busy-work jobs that capitalism has created.

    Also on the list of “things capitalism has created” is enormous wealth. BUT, just as Marx predicted, the consolidation of that wealth in the hands of a wealthy few has created a lot of problems. One of those is many communities don’t own much of the staggering wealth that the most effective workforce ever has created.

    Understanding that wealth and money aren’t the same thing – wealth is something that is capable of generating money for the wealth owner (land is a good example, you can always farm land) – and considering much of the working world has no wealth to speak of, we either have to embrace ideas like basic income or we have to embrace alternatives to capitalism.

  12. Abject_Role_5066 on

    Yep. You get more of what you incentivize.

    Money for small business loans is good. Subsidized job retraining programs also good. Free money, not on your life, able bodied folks. Only vulnerable groups should get that, and even for them, not forever.

  13. Would pension be considered a special form of UBI? If so we are already struggling to fund it

  14. jaspersgroove on

    Well they need to figure something out, between ai and robotics we are rapidly going to reach a point where many people that *want* to work won’t be able to. There are not nearly as many truly lazy people out there as republicans would like to pretend. And there are not nearly as many people that would be happy just killing time and fucking about with their hobbies as liberals would like to pretend.

    What will we do here in the US when there’s 400 million people and only 100 million jobs to do? Like it or not this is a society where the vast majority of us are programmed from childhood to be obsessed with our work ethic. In a country infected with the Calvinist/protestant mindset where you’re basically fucking worthless if you don’t spend your entire life working yourself to death, that many people out of work isn’t just an economic conundrum, it’s a recipe for societal collapse.

  15. TheWorldRider on

    I don’t think it is a bad idea, just not the silver bullet to our problems that the biggest proponents like to push.

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