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    Die EU könnte sterben, warnt Emmanuel Macron


    Die EU könnte sterben, warnt Emmanuel Macron

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/10/03/eu-could-die-says-emmanuel-macron-us-china-nato/

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    1. TheTelegraph on

      ***The Telegraph reports:***

      The EU “could die” unless it makes itself more competitive with the US and China, [Emmanuel Macron](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/emmanuel-macron/) has warned.

      The French president said [the bloc](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/european-union/) was over-regulating and under-investing at the Berlin Global Dialogue event.

      Washington and Beijing both outstripped the EU in economic output and investment, he said, before calling on the bloc to complete its banking union package of financial rules.

      Member states also needed to press for global trade rules to be kept fair, he added, according to Bloomberg.

      “The EU could die, we are on a verge of a very important moment,” Mr Macron said. “Our former model is over – we are over-regulating and under-investing. In the two to three years to come, if we follow our classical agenda we will be out of the market.”

      Mr Macron’s remarks echo some of the findings of a [landmark report by Mario Draghi,](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/09/09/mario-draghi-cannot-save-eu-failing-economy/) the former Italian prime minister. His report demanded a wider “industrial strategy for Europe”, involving €800 billion (£673 billion) in annual investment to prevent the EU from falling behind the US [and China](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/06/21/europe-is-going-to-lose-its-trade-war-with-china/).

      **Read more:** [**https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/10/03/eu-could-die-says-emmanuel-macron-us-china-nato/**](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/10/03/eu-could-die-says-emmanuel-macron-us-china-nato/)

    3. gaukonigshofen on

      Definitely outsourcing jobs overseas is not the way for growth. Yes it saves on production costs(little to no savings for the consumer -go figure)
      But you take away jobs which helps the consumers spend instead of relying on government support.

    5. w00t57 on

      In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the EU will be reorganised into the First European Empire, for a safe and secure society.

    6. lookatmeman on

      A lot of this is why Brexit happened, angry people with no future but continued decline. Ironically this very paper incited them to blame EU membership. On a flip side things like banning aspects of ai are not helping the view of EU over regulation.

    7. johannesonlysilly on

      We’re not an federation, because of that there’s no real budget, it doesen’t stop countries doing big projects together though. But yes we’ve already regulated away any chance for success.

    8. warriorscot on

      Honestly brexit was a slow wound that’s unlikely to ever heal, the UK was pretty critical in balancing the avarice of France and Germany with the needs of the wider body and had invested years building up the relationships with the newer members.

      The value add from the UK had very little to do with anything economic or scientific, although both helped. It was far more to do with the internal politics and power dynamics and the fact they played the honest broker and had the clout to organise the new members against Germany and France when it mattered from a position of it often not mattering to them except in principle.

      Ever since you’ve seen a March to the right and the EU losing its grip as Germany and France had to work against decades of emnity created from having their hands in the cookie jar. And ironically brexit showed how hard leaving is, which meant countries that actually should leave maybe come back or not and may have aren’t leaving.

      I’ve been a big advocate for the EU, but post brexit and given the current political situation inside and out I’m not sure the EU is able to do what it needs to given what it needs to do is something it’s never been able to achieve during times.when it was better able to do it.

    9. yosarian_reddit on

      Macron is a neoliberal in a world where neoliberalism has lost all popular support. Europeans are not going to copy the inhuman working standards of the US and China. Especially not to make Macron’s finance buddies richer.

    12. GoRangers5 on

      Maybe it should, a strong economy that leaves people behind is no strong economy at all.

    13. green_flash on

      > “In the two to three years to come, if we follow our classical agenda we will be out of the market.”

      Sounds exaggerated, but in some important segments of the economy that might be true, in particular the automobile industry and AI.

    15. BobdeBouwer__ on

      Europe for me is very demotivating. Only those who do exactly as the government wants or those who are complete frauds are doing well.

    18. Infinite077 on

      Their not listening to what the people want. Like it’s great for funding infrastructure and some laws. But leave the rest to the independent countries. Everyone is different with each own set of values.

    19. Phoenix2111 on

      ‘So what are some important things to note on the horizon, when planning for the future’

      ‘Well, if we don’t do things I say we should, hmm, the EU.. Could er.. it could DIE!’

      Lol giving me the Lois mayoral election on family guys vibes.

      https://youtu.be/6paMJfiaO0A?feature=shared

      Obviously: this is not a direct quote of Macron, no spreading misinformation now, and not some political dig or view either way, just found it amusing how dramatic it sounds and how similar that is to stuff from that particular episode.

    20. Temouloun on

      Over-regulations is the reason why I love the EU though. Eating all the shit Americans an Chinese do? No thank you.

    21. Responsible-Mix4771 on

      What microchips, solar panels or AI? Nearly FIVE years after the outbreak of Covid, all tests are still being imported from China!!! We haven’t learned a thing. We still can’t make a simple test for a freaking virus.  

      The problem is that we’re still thinking on a national level not a continental one.

    22. Rdhilde18 on

      Outsourcing your security to your unstable cousin across the Atlantic, energy production from the alcoholic uncle up north, and goods Winnie the Pooh… yeah probably not a sustainable model for growth.

    24. sploggerEater on

      basically the only multinational org doing positive things for the globe. Another gold star for humanity /s 

    25. TripleReward on

      I mean the right wing states doing border checks now is a bad omen.

      They try to normalize border checks again, before killing schengen.

    26. Cathousechicken on

      Another thing that you has to deal with is the disinformation campaign by Russia to erode the power of the EU. It’s much easier for Russia to gain greater hegemonic power if another hegemonic block power becomes weakened.

      The rise of Brexit and now the greater rise in right-wing populism come right out of their playbook for their plans for what they want to do to the EU.

       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics?wprov=sfla1

    27. susport on

      Lol ive been saying this for months now. Many dont understand just how fucked we are from a gepolitical and fiscal perspective. (no common army, bickering about ideology, powerful neighbour ready to wreck havock, our only major ally slowly shifting to our enemys side, falling birthrates, immigration and failed intergration) honestly yeah, the eu will fall and collapse and everyone not just in europe but everyone will suffer and be worse off for it. Unfortunately everyone also stands something to gain.

      See small minded nationalists cant think beyond europes borders. To them rising countries like nigeria, Indonesia, and india are nonexistent. European (country specific) nationslists are especially stupid. They dont understand how macro politics could ever affect them, or why we shouldn’t just all be separate, well heres the kicker: Individual Eu nations have pathetic population sizes, workforces, militaries and usually economies. There is zero reason any state in europe aside from germany could even compete on a global stage. I mean hell, some older powers like italy, spain and the uk are already falling into irrelevance. The Eu does something extremely special: it gives these countries the opportunity to use each others as pawns in the game of civilizations. While individually countries like Finland, Poland and The baltics are just pawns, inside the eu they are both pawns and players. Dissolving the eu, to the small minded nationalists means theyll get rid of being a pawn and will still be a player, but the power of european countries comes from being together and using each other. Without countries like germany backing the dutch or spanish up, they are simply slightly above average states in the world. Nothing special and certainly dont have any regional power.

      Not only that but our enemies are basically whole eus in themselves. The numerical count of nations does not matter. The Chinese outpopulate the eu by 1 billion and so do the indians. They are civilizations, not ones that can be ignored.

      Nationalists think only of the now not what comes tomorrow or afterwards; a nation cannot survive in a world of civilizations

    28. RuffDemon214 on

      I see nothing wrong with anything Mr Macon said. Americans have been saying it for years but it took an orange madman to get the point across. EU really needs to stand on its own feet.

    29. HimmiX on

      It’s funny that he didn’t mention that he was responsible for it.

    31. True-Grapefruit4042 on

      As an American, I love Europe because of our shared history and the rich history the continent has. Obligatory yes I know EU and the continent of Europe are different but they’re close enough that I’m referring to both.

      Over the last century, Europe has consistently shot itself in the foot and willingly fell behind the rest of the world both culturally and economically where it was on top for most of history. Failing to adapt to the technology Industrial Revolution was their biggest mistake, and more recently bringing in mass waves of unvetted migrants from countries whose culture is inherently at odds with western values of liberty and freedom is doing damage that hasn’t been fully realized yet.

      Hopefully Europe can modernize its economy and the EU can become an economic and cultural powerhouse once again.

    32. Maxpowerxp on

      Die? What is the problem with going back to each country doing their own thing?

    36. perpetualtire247 on

      Rise of populism (mainly right-wing nationalism) is to blame and if more countries ignore EU laws and regulations then the EU will basically be completely impotent.

    37. AlgaeFun6174 on

      No hard feelings at all, but the French government complaining of “over-regulation” is a joke, right? Right…??

    38. MarCin6666 on

      Ask the US how the outsourcing went for them lol ..

      You can ask China too

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