This is a good lesson for everyone that the only way is to create entire defense at European, Ukrainian, level, and to not rely on U.S arsenal. Closer friends, real friends.
US wasted more than 2000 billions in Afghanistan. How much for Ukraine ? How much times Afghanistan is more important than Ukraine ?……
I read: ” The current family of low-cost, highly effective drones used by the Ukrainians are all manufactured in China. No U.S. equivalent exists in the marketplace ”
Weird, I though Ukraine was producing some of these drones. Maybe it imports some parts from China ? Like the small electric engines which contain high grade magnets ?
PoliticalCanvas on
>The war in Ukraine is at risk of being lost—not because the Russians are winning but because Ukraine’s allies have not allowed them to win. If we encourage the Ukrainians to fight while failing to give them the tools they need for victory, history will surely conclude that the Russians weren’t the only ones who committed crimes against Ukraine.
Finally. At least someone said true as it is.
At first, Ukrainian allies take away from Ukraine the best weapons.
Then, gave to Russia trillion dollars for rearmament.
Then, de facto sell to Russia Ukraine territories and 50% of Ukraine GDP in exchange for continuation of trade and temporary preservation of the status quo.
Then, from 2022 year, most allies essentially continued what they did before. Yes, spending more resources for stabilization of degraded situation, but still only for stabilization and nothing else.
All of which just a form of trade between two WMD-aristocracy neo-imperial actors.
Ukraine was deprived of WMD, from subject became object, and used for Russian AND West benefits.
Kremlin received rich by resources territories, discredit of International Law. In exchange for predominantly already free biomaterial.
And the West received continuation of control and “weakening of Russia” illusion. In exchange for few tens of percent of GDP.
From some perspective, it’s even more disgusting than was appeasement of Nazi Germany.
danderzei on
It is clear to me that NATO benefits from a drawn-out war. The longer Russia suffers, the better. But the cost is Ukranian blood
OriginalBid129 on
What if Ukraine donates land it lost to Russia to Israel. Surely an incentivized IDF will obliterate Putin and his army. From the ashes of crimea ad zaporizhia will rise a second Jewish homeland away from the cramped levant.
WLL20t on
It is not in the West’s interest to drag out the conflict, already now we can see that support for Ukraine among the populations in the West is receding, especially the extreme right wing is gaining ground in Europe and the USA because of the support for Ukraine and this may cost the incumbents governments power if the war continues.
It is clear that geostrategically the West could see an advantage in emptying Russia of weapons, but Russia has not been a significant threat to the West in recent years and if the West gave Ukraine more help faster we would be able to achieve the same goal.
The hesitant reaction is solely due to the fear of escalating the conflict, whether that fear is justified only the future will show.
Many_Assignment7972 on
Why not just assist the Ukrainians to research, test, manufacture and deploy their owned equipment including drones. Allow them to formulate what works, what does not and which projects to pursue or not – the payback for the west is we get access to their results and can maybe even join their teams bringing in initiatives they might otherwise never have the wherewithal to have access to – it’s a common cause against a common enemy employing common sense!
the_enemy_is_within on
“As long as it takes…”
There’s SO much left unsaid behind those ellipses.
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This is a good lesson for everyone that the only way is to create entire defense at European, Ukrainian, level, and to not rely on U.S arsenal. Closer friends, real friends.
US wasted more than 2000 billions in Afghanistan. How much for Ukraine ? How much times Afghanistan is more important than Ukraine ?……
I read: ” The current family of low-cost, highly effective drones used by the Ukrainians are all manufactured in China. No U.S. equivalent exists in the marketplace ”
Weird, I though Ukraine was producing some of these drones. Maybe it imports some parts from China ? Like the small electric engines which contain high grade magnets ?
>The war in Ukraine is at risk of being lost—not because the Russians are winning but because Ukraine’s allies have not allowed them to win. If we encourage the Ukrainians to fight while failing to give them the tools they need for victory, history will surely conclude that the Russians weren’t the only ones who committed crimes against Ukraine.
Finally. At least someone said true as it is.
At first, Ukrainian allies take away from Ukraine the best weapons.
Then, gave to Russia trillion dollars for rearmament.
Then, de facto sell to Russia Ukraine territories and 50% of Ukraine GDP in exchange for continuation of trade and temporary preservation of the status quo.
Then, from 2022 year, most allies essentially continued what they did before. Yes, spending more resources for stabilization of degraded situation, but still only for stabilization and nothing else.
All of which just a form of trade between two WMD-aristocracy neo-imperial actors.
Ukraine was deprived of WMD, from subject became object, and used for Russian AND West benefits.
Kremlin received rich by resources territories, discredit of International Law. In exchange for predominantly already free biomaterial.
And the West received continuation of control and “weakening of Russia” illusion. In exchange for few tens of percent of GDP.
From some perspective, it’s even more disgusting than was appeasement of Nazi Germany.
It is clear to me that NATO benefits from a drawn-out war. The longer Russia suffers, the better. But the cost is Ukranian blood
What if Ukraine donates land it lost to Russia to Israel. Surely an incentivized IDF will obliterate Putin and his army. From the ashes of crimea ad zaporizhia will rise a second Jewish homeland away from the cramped levant.
It is not in the West’s interest to drag out the conflict, already now we can see that support for Ukraine among the populations in the West is receding, especially the extreme right wing is gaining ground in Europe and the USA because of the support for Ukraine and this may cost the incumbents governments power if the war continues.
It is clear that geostrategically the West could see an advantage in emptying Russia of weapons, but Russia has not been a significant threat to the West in recent years and if the West gave Ukraine more help faster we would be able to achieve the same goal.
The hesitant reaction is solely due to the fear of escalating the conflict, whether that fear is justified only the future will show.
Why not just assist the Ukrainians to research, test, manufacture and deploy their owned equipment including drones. Allow them to formulate what works, what does not and which projects to pursue or not – the payback for the west is we get access to their results and can maybe even join their teams bringing in initiatives they might otherwise never have the wherewithal to have access to – it’s a common cause against a common enemy employing common sense!
“As long as it takes…”
There’s SO much left unsaid behind those ellipses.
Where’s a Charlie Wilson when you need one?
No, the UK will not abandon Ukraine.
This is… very extra, and seems written by trolls.