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    Die EU-Armee? Es könnte endlich an der Zeit sein, dass Europa sich zu einem gemeinsamen Militär bekennt


    Die EU-Armee? Es könnte endlich an der Zeit sein, dass Europa sich zu einem gemeinsamen Militär bekennt

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    Von EUstrongerthanUS

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    27 Comments

    1. EUstrongerthanUS on

      The EU Rapid Deployment Force is on schedule to become fully operational next year. It’s only 5,000 troops, but there are calls to increase it to 20,000 to be able to better fulfill the aims set out in the first Strategic Compass.

    2. loicvanderwiel on

      We can’t have a joint military if we don’t have a joint foreign policy. And we can’t have that if every decision has to wait for the unanimity of 27 members. We need decisiveness and currently we very much don’t.

      Not mentioning all the legal framework that comes with having a military, the need for intelligence agencies (for military, foreign and internal affairs), etc.

    3. Such_Potato7736 on

      If we combined all EU armies, would it be bigger than the US army?

    4. Zerophim on

      Make multiple Rapid Deployment Forces and have they stationed on the russian border with constant training and have ukrainian recruits so they can also learn while we are at it

    5. RepresentativeMail9 on

      Sometimes I wonder if posts like this are designed to create anti EU sentiment among member states.

    6. stonkysdotcom on

      No thanks. Please don’t move the power even further away from the people by centralizing the government even more.

    9. WesternManEuropean on

      I don’t like the idea with this kind of EU. I don’t want to serve a puppet union of countries.

    10. Werkstadt on

      No thanks, sweden has conscription and conscription is exclusively for defence of home territory. Imagine not having a say in joining a military operation that’s not defence of your home country **when you didn’t choose to be part of the military**.

    12. will_dormer on

      Nah. Denmark in the last 20 years have always said yes to participate in every war, but if our forces are held up in EU we can no longer use then, since they have to stay ready in EU. This is only good for freerider peeps like Ireland, Switzerland, Austria or frontline nations like balticum and Poland, I suppose. Denmark will support frontline nations with all we got, but we also will fight russia else where than standing ready in EU

    14. Unexpected_yetHere on

      I don’t see the point.

      Instead of more complicated bureaucratic nonsense, how about the pathetic excuses for militaries in the West go arm up?

    15. Any-Original-6113 on

      I’ve been reading about the united army of Europe for 15 years. 

      If it is a military contingent that consists of various military personnel from individual EU countries, then nothing good will happen: political preferences in countries are changing, and military personnel serve the country, not the EU. 

       I am surprised that no one has proposed to create a military company, let’s call it the European legion, which every EU citizen can join, which is funded from the EU budget and subordinated to the EU structure. 

      This way, many issues can be resolved, ranging from issues of oath and loyalty to individual countries, to the political will of the EU, which does not depend on the whim of individual countries. I don’t think I was the first to suggest this, but apparently the European army, separate from the national ones, scares the leaders of the countries a lot.

    16. TeodorDim on

      Comment section will be gold. My 2 cents are that is extremely bad idea to push controversial policies while you need unity which is in all time low. Also NATO already takes care of defense with additional proven allies. True joint procurement programs would be nice though.

    18. H1tSc4n on

      It’s absurdly complicated. We almost certainly won’t ever see an European army in our lifetime. The differences in scope, doctrine, needs and ideology between members are immense. We can’t agree on a rifle or a fighter jet, and we’re supposed to agree on an entire army?
      It’s just not realistic.

    19. teabekontroll on

      There is still one conceptual problem with any attempt to create a joint military: what resources?

      If the current militaries are merged together, then countries will lose control over their militaries which is of course a huge problem in peripheral countries, especially those bordering Russia.

      If it’s done additionally to the current militaries, then first, it would require increasing defense spending and second, it would still reduce the pool of men for the national militaries.

      I guess some kind of joint capabilities could be beneficial for all, but definitely not for regular infantry etc.

    20. Due_Bake7326 on

      A common army means a common nuclear deterrence capability, and we should therefore have a common nuclear strategy and produce more nuclear weapons to keep up with our enemies from the East.

    21. KernunQc7 on

      No thanks, joint military means joint command. NATO for good and bad, already has us covered.

      Besides only the UK and US would help us ( you can look up the pew research yourselves ) in case you know who decided to come and visit. As Trump would say: what’s in it for us?

    22. pixiemaster on

      Especially with all governments going nationalistic, we should move the most important assets like national security, energy politics and social security over into the EU, more out of reach.

    23. foolsjam on

      Any kind of army without a political union it’s just a waste of taxpayer money.

    24. andythemanly550 on

      I read the rules before posting the following, and it may break rule 8, though it’s not my intention.

      But a joint military? The EU countries can’t even commit what it promised to NATO. I think the first step is reaching that goal first before trying to fulfill new/other goals.

    25. hinfofo on

      Yeah fuck the EU. Fucking federalism they want full control over all member states before they want to leave.

    26. Swollwonder on

      I just don’t see it happening. Europe is content to sit behind old nationalist identities as opposed to uniting and actually being a respectable hegemonic force. I don’t see Europeans ever viewing themselves as Europeans first and their home countries second which would be a prerequisite for this to happen.

    27. Tungsten82 on

      The EU is a trade Union and it is very good at it. We shouldn’t try to make it something else (all votes on that matter failed). So why not create an ETO, and leave NATO?

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