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All these time, all the folks here kept saying Hamas is sabotaging the ceasefire talks. Oh look,who is actually sabotaging it. Netanyahu and his cronies want this to continue and has no care for hostages at all.
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There is so much fake news regarding this subject.
What they are discussing refers to the following article, where Biden’s ceasefire proposal in June was approved by **some** Israeli officials on the negotiation team.
[https://www.axios.com/2024/06/01/israel-gaza-hostage-ceasefire-deal-confirms-biden](https://www.axios.com/2024/06/01/israel-gaza-hostage-ceasefire-deal-confirms-biden)
What’s missing from the article is that, at that time, Netanyahu and the top members of the cabinet never confirmed their agreement to the terms.
What was important to the Israeli leadership was to ensure that Hamas could not regain its strength first. Biden’s proposal didn’t guarantee this demand.
This has been well known in Israel for months now, Westerners just refused to believe
It’s almost like… he doesn’t care about the hostages and only wants to… kill innocent people. Almost.
Shocking! A politician putting their career over human lives.
How about this, we’ve never been anywhere close to a deal. It’s all talk by Washington because they want a win. They keep telling us it’s almost happening but the truth always is that Ben has never moved from his position, nor has Hamas.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/04/middleeast/netanyahu-derailed-hostage-deal-in-july-intl/index.html) reduced by 87%. (I’m a bot)
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> Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in July effectively spiked a draft hostage and ceasefire deal by introducing a raft of new, 11th-hour demands, according to a report by the Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth citing a document it obtained.
> Bergman, writing in Hebrew, wrote in Tuesday's report that among the new demands was that Israeli forces continue to occupy the Egypt-Gaza border area, known as the Philadelphi Corridor, and maintain a 1.4-kilometer perimeter in Gaza along the Israeli border.
> Finally, the newspaper reported that the new Israeli demands said a specific group of long-term Palestinian prisoners to be exchanged for female Israeli soldiers be sent "Abroad" after their release, rather than – as the previous agreement reportedly stated – "Abroad or into Gaza.".
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There is no way you can deal with terrorists.
You’re blaming the Israeli prime minister for hamas murdering 6 innocent defenseless hostages?
What this article seems to leave out is that Israel’s “new demand” for continued control of the Philadelphi Corridor came just a couple weeks after IDF secured control of the area, as they began to discover far more tunnels than they had expected running from Egypt into Gaza, including some large enough to drive vehicles through.
This wasn’t part of ceasefire negotiations prior to May because Israel had yet to occupy the area, but given the extent of the tunnels they continue to expose it’s clear that the pre-war status quo of Hamas controlling the Gaza side and Egypt controlling the Egyptian side of the border doesn’t work.
Uh huh, and Hamas is “reasonable” for only wanting 50 prisoners per hostage instead of 250.
Given how important the Philadelphi corridor is to Hamas control, Israel can not concede to withdraw from it.
The simple reality, and it is simple, is that historically Hamas has reneged on every single agreement.
On top of this, there’s some bizarre disconnect between Hamas actions in taking Hostages, shooting some in the head and executing them and an ongoing assumption that they do anything in good faith. It’s been decades of broken deals.
Hamas have as much consideration and care for the Palestinian residents of Gaza as they do for Israeli hostages.
Absolutely none.
Both are meat to be traded or burned, don’t take my word for it. Look at their history, actions speak louder than words.
On the other side, we have Bibi. He’s a product of the environment that exists solely because of Hamas actions. The illegal settlements, and they are illegal, are allowed to continue because there’s little appetite for pushback when Hamas are raping and torturing and murdering men, women and children.
In a stable and safe Israel he wouldn’t be in power.
Meanwhile Palestinians die, Israeli’s die and the Hamas leaders continue to accountable wealth measures in the billions of dollars. We make that possible.
Behind all of this is Iran.
I’m sure he did. He has no interest–never has had an interest–in peace and compromise. He shat all over Rabin’s sacrifice and has benefited personally and politically from conflict with Palestine.
And now onto Hamas. Fuck those guys into hell. They aren’t any better and they have no interest in peace either. They’re men with guns who think brutality gives them the right to rule. I hope they vanish.
As always, when big shot men go to war, it’s the people that suffer.
May Netanyahu and the other war hawks of Israel and may Hamas and any other like minded terrorist organizations be wiped from the earth as the scourge on all our lives that they are.
Why not get the hostages first and then keep taking out hamas scumbags. Duh. Who expects him to keep his word that Israel won’t ever go after hamas again if the hostages are released.
Well this seems totally out of character for a raging sociopath with only corrupt, self-rewarding principles
Nothing to see here, just the autocratic leader of an “allied” nation prolonging a brutal, genocidal war to assist his ideological soul mate in the upcoming presidential election…
Neither Israel or Hamas have any reason to trust the other side to honor any sort of deal. The current conflict is because a ceasefire was broken, so why should Israel trust Hamas to honor future agreements? Meanwhile, historically Israel has violated multiple agreements and international law themselves, and faced no real consequences, so why would Hamas, or any Palestinian, think that these things matter?
Both sides view the other as an existential threat, and both have good reason to do so.
More people defending Bibi here than in Israel itself.
Was that before or after DJT called? Asking for a friend.
This was already obvious to the non wilfully ignorant
Serious question – if Gaza was neighbouring to your country and the people there were raping, murdering, and abducting your citizens and friends, would you continue to tell your government to just leave Gaza alone (while hostages are still there and even when Gaza explicitly says they will do it 1000 more times and worse next time)?
Or would you tell your government to neutralize the threat?
HAMAS has no intention of surrendering its hostages, this article is pretty slanted towards the terrorist organization
By refusing to let Hamas stay in power after the war. They can argue about Philadelphi but Hamas had never actually agreed to not end the war.