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    Brasilianische Richter ratifizieren Verbot von X im sich verschärfenden Streit mit Musk

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-02/brazilian-judges-ratify-ban-on-x-in-deepening-feud-with-musk

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    1. bloomberg on

      *From Bloomberg News reporter Daniel Carvalho:*

      The majority of judges on a Supreme Court panel confirmed an order to ban Elon Musk’s social network X in Brazil and fine those who don’t comply with it by using a virtual private network, or VPN.

      Three of five judges on the panel voted in favor of the decision to shut down the platform formerly known as Twitter during a virtual trial on Monday. The other two judges on the panel must cast their votes by the end of the day.

      X can still appeal the decision, after the conclusion of the hearing.

    2. DarkkGothic on

      Looks like Tesla won’t be expanding to Brazil anytime soon…unless they can come up with a new model: the X-free.

    5. efequalma on

      In the latest episode of “Elon vs. The World,” Brazil has decided to play hardball, banning X, the artist formerly known as Twitter. It seems Musk’s global charm offensive has hit a speed bump.

    6. Clear-Pudding-1038 on

      “Feud” is an interesting way on how to represent country’s effort to bring international corporation to justice for breaching national laws

    7. gottatrusttheengr on

      I’m amused that redditors would applaud a 3rd world country banning VPN users with threat of fines on the size of 3 years minimum wage.

    8. Opposite-Document-65 on

      Must be nice to have a justice system and rule of law for everyone.

    9. TheVerraton on

      There’s not a single doubt in my mind that the Brazilian government is corrupt as fuck and that they probably have various ulterior motives for doing this. But god damn is it good to see Musk take an L.

    10. Slow_Cricket_6685 on

      Can somebody that isn’t paid to fluff Elmo report on this?

    11. eloquent_beaver on

      X is a cesspool ever since Musk took it over. It will hopefully die of its own accord, on its own demerits.

      But no one should be cheering for authoritarian regimes like Brazil’s trying to censor platforms (conveniently where their political opponents reside) just because they’re feuding with the jerk Musk. An authoritarian regime defies the will of its people (see: outlawing VPN usage), and people in the western world unironically cheer.

      With every year, the world edges closer to China’s dystopian Great Firewall vision of the internet. You should see EU’s new fun Chat Control proposals, which is not the first of their attempts to weaken and backdoor encryption. There’s always going to be attacks on a free and open internet. Governments always don’t like what they can’t control. And you can’t control a free and open internet. But they’ll try.

      The west should simply refuse to join in those games. And people everywhere need to not be okay with it, not cheer on authoritarian governments just because it’s Musk. That’s cheering for cutting off your nose to spite your face. Or cutting off the nose of the Brazillian people to spite Musk’s face.

    12. NetQuarterLatte on

      >Moraes issued the order after Musk defied several previous decisions, including refusing to name a legal representative for the social network in Latin America’s biggest economy.

      Kind of rich that Moraes takes issue with X not having a legal representative anymore, after *he threatened the previous legal representative with jail* for the “crime” of being the legal representative. And it’s easy to tell that’s the case, because once she stepped down, she wasn’t under threat of jail anymore.

      It’s weird how criminalizing legal representation can cause legal representation to stop happening.

    14. Guilty_Jackrabbit on

      Brazil successfully threw off their military dictatorship in the 80s, so maybe forgive them if they’re a little touchy about people like Musk who try to influence elections and who are weirdly friendly with the people trying to bring the military dictatorship back.

      Weird how the countries who actually lived through terrible domestic events tend to have laws specifically designed to keep those events from happening again.

    18. Elddif_Dog on

      Brazil: Ban these 7 Nazi accounts. 
      Musk: No. 
      Bazil: Bans X country wide alongside those 7 accounts. 
      Musk: *Pikachu face*

    19. MetalMakesUsStrong on

      Elon might be a piece of shit, but he’s not wrong, even though he’s leveraging the situation for his own personal interests.

      The thing is Brazil is curbing freedom of speech and censoring people against its own laws. Last year( or the year before, can’t remember) one of the justices pretty much said censorship is against our constitution, but we’re doing just this time… yeah.

      We already have laws and procedures to deal with people that go against the law. Censoring an entire platform is not that.

      Pretty fucking weird people cheering a decision that only these guys are doing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Twitter

      Hate Musk all you want, but try and see a bit beyond it.

    22. GoodmanSimon on

      Whatever anyone thinks of Twitter/X and Musk, thats pretty wrong of Brazil to do that…

    23. Josh_The_Joker on

      What benefit do the citizens stand to gain by banning a social media platform?

    24. Twin_Titans on

      Guy doesn’t understand how to do what he’s told. Law is the law.

    25. The-Dachshund-pillow on

      Behind paywall text:

      The majority of judges on a Supreme Court panel confirmed an order to ban Elon Musk’s social network X in Brazil and fine those who don’t comply with it by using a virtual private network, or VPN.
      Three of five judges on the panel voted in favor of the decision to shut down the platform formerly known as Twitter during a virtual trial on Monday. The other two judges on the panel must cast their votes by the end of the day. X can still appeal the decision, after the conclusion of the hearing.

      The site has been suspended since a late Friday order by Justice Alexandre de Moraes. The top-court judge is spearheading efforts to combat fake news and hate speech in Brazil and faces claims of overstepping his bounds by undermining free speech.
      Moraes issued the order after Musk defied several previous decisions, including refusing to name a legal representative for the social network in Latin America’s biggest economy.

      X went dark on the weekend, affecting its 20 million users in Brazil — among the world’s most-online nations.

      Judges on the panel also voted in favor of Moraes’ order threatening anyone using a VPN to access X with a daily fine of 50,000 reais ($8,900).
      The group didn’t discuss the order to block bank accounts of Musk’s satellite internet provider Starlink. That decision seeks to force the company to pay for fines imposed on X.

      In an appeal filed Friday, Starlink Brazil Holding LTDA asked the Supreme Court to lift the order, arguing the internet business isn’t part of the case against X. Justice Cristiano Zanin denied the appeal and kept the financial assets blocked.

    26. hellranger788 on

      So I’m lost here. One side says a social media giant isn’t respecting the rules of a nation, and the other side says this powerful dude is acting like a dictator limiting freedom of information and isn’t a good person. Which is it?

    27. ufbam on

      These comments lack any details about what caused this. And nobody seems to care here. Leave this site and look it up.

    28. Mytre- on

      Am I being too paranoid? AS a venezuelan I feel this is too weird, twitter is one of hte only places to be able to find news from the country and communicate the horrors , repression and so on after the fraud commited by Maduro… Lula has been buddies with Maduro and is one of the only 3 or so presidents in the whole Hispanic sphere that has been “lukewarm” in calling out maduro by holding a neutral position. This dose in fact supress news from venezuela reaching out to brazil and leaves venezuelans in brazil prety much unable to get more information out of our home country.

      Note that I do know Elon has censured in favor of other dictator ships but elon did had a Feud with Maduro for some reason which was unexpected as Russia and China are the ones supporting Maduro, and his childlish behavior and destruction of twitter is known.

      But this is too much of a coincidence as one of the few supporting maduro ( as a venezuelan, being neutral to a pretty much outright election fraud and horrible repression is pretty much being in favor of them ) . Just my 2 cents, twitter should be held accountable but this is too much of a coincidence coming from a government that has supported and being friends with the dictator of venezuela.

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