https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJNxT-I7L6s
Ich habe dieses Video von DW gesehen. Es zeigt unterschiedliche Perspektiven von drei Migranten.
Im Video werden bekannte Dinge behandelt, wie etwa Schwierigkeiten bei der Wohnungssuche, hohe Steuern oder Sprachbarrieren.
Ich möchte Sie zu Ihrer Perspektive als Migrant fragen. Ist dieses Video der DW echt?
Du hast alles Mögliche getan, denkst aber gleichzeitig darüber nach, Deutschland zu verlassen? Wenn ja, warum? Denkst du darüber nach, dich hier niederzulassen? Wenn ja, warum?
Erwarten Sie, dass sich die Lage zugunsten der Migranten in Zukunft verbessern wird (bessere Versorgung mit Wohnraum, weniger Sprachbarrieren usw.) (wenn das Problem der Überalterung der Bevölkerung stärker zum Vorschein kommt)? Oder glauben Sie, dass alles so bleiben wird, wie es ist?
Why some skilled immigrants are leaving Germany | DW News
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The first and third one are kind of the same – people who do not learn German to a high level are stuck in a small subset of cities where English-speaking jobs are common and demand for flats is high.
When you learn the language, you can be a lot more flexible about where you live which opens up apartment opportunities in cities with less demand.
I won’t comment on the other topics, but… you should expect that speaking German in Germany it’s going to be a big deal.
from my perspective 1) low and un-integrated social life 2) unacceptance to the mainstream and 3) the dilemma in long run whether foreigners can stay or need to leave would be the main reasons.
Having the “skills” without the language is like having €500k in a safe with no key, I get you have the money but what good is it when you can’t use it?
i have always find it so weird how germany has a bunch of immigrants and yet it’s still so adverse to adapting english
I’m always in two minds about this – yes, it would be easier if professional life worked entirely in English and we’d be more competitive relative to the likes of the UK and the US when it comes to attracting international talent.
At the same time it’s not like we are unique in having our own language – it seems like all the expat complaints always come down to leaving Germany for the same four or five other countries (US, UK, Australia, Netherlands, Switzerland), and people forget that you will also have a miserable time speaking only English in France. Or Belgium. Or Austria. Italy. Spain. Norway, Denmark, Sweden … Some of these countries have populations so proficient in English that you’ll get buy easily in everyday life, but none will allow you to properly integrate into society and build genuine social connections and friendships with locals with speaking the language. Especially not the Nordics.
So if you truly want to make a life in Germany, or any other non-anglophone country, what’s so fucking hard about learning the language?! Why do so many people think that being ‘skilled’ and sought after gives them a free pass on speaking the language of the country they want to spend their life (or at least many years) in?
My friend with job experience of 1 year in Germany, a M.Sc. degree and with B2 beruflich Deutsche skill, can’t find a job for last 6 months. Whenever he goes to a career fair, they are now asking for C1 level Deutsche which is insane.
I have few friends who completed IT M.Sc. from one of the top universities in Germany with B1 level language can’t find a job for last 1 year. They only have another 6 months to find a job in Germany or get kicked in. 2 of them already left Germany and found a job in other countries.
I have been living here for few years here. I have a good job here for the last 1 year. With my salary, it is hard to maintain a family here in the big city where I am living right now. I need to buy a car but still can’t afford the driving school fees.
Me and my German colleague both applied to houses here in Germany. I applied to 200 apartment and finally found one quite far from the city. My german colleague applied to 5 apartment and got selected to all 5 of them. We earn the same amount of money.
So when you face discrimination at everystep of your life, you think about leaving this country every now and then.
The salaries are not as competitive and learning German is a years long investment. Simple math in the end.
Taxes plus social security payments are among the highest in the OECD (only Belgium is worse). Highly skilled people can also do the math and often decide to go elsewhere.
Learn the language. I don’t go visit countries that don’t speak German nor English, since that are the 2 languages I am proficient in. We hired some people that didn’t speak very good English, only Spanish, so we let them go after a couple of month. We urged them to take English language courses, off course they didn’t. You got to be able to communicate with the employee, a lot of times, I had to get a translator and trust that everything I said was correctly translated, it’s not feasible in a smaller company. I had 122 people under me, my employees had to talk to customers, and not speaking the language caused issues. So, want to work in Germany, learn German, the same goes for any country in my opinion.
I was a skilled immigrant, I have my PhD and moved to Germany in 2021, left in 2023. There were things that I liked, but I can agree with the three issues you highlight. While I was looking for a flat, most people would cut off contact with me when they found out that I was a foreigner, even though I sent all emails in German. In one instance, they sent me the documents to sign for the apartment, and then told me nevermind because they found a German to rent instead. I am pretty sure that I only got the apartment that I did because the landlord was also an immigrant and felt bad for us.
The taxes and pay also not all that attractive to me. Very little chance for me to make significantly more than I was in my position.
The language barrier is a problem also, but not in the way that many people here talk about. If you are planning to stay in Germany, it is only logical to learn the language. However, German is not a popular language to learn for most of the world, and many immigrants come with no knowledge. Once we get here, there is a huge struggle to fit in, and I am sure that people leave within a few years like me because of how uncomfortable it is. I joined local clubs, took German classes, but it was still very difficult, not to add in all the cultural differences in social interactions. It was overall very isolating l.
1. Apartment – finding one is an issue. But it is a issue for native Germans too. Whether it triggers someone to go back their original place depends on their personal situation and preferences.
Germany must not worry about such people. There are scores of other highly skilled people who will come here.
2. High Taxes – a lot of high skilled tech immigrants have lower tax options in India, US etc. But those governments give less then what Germany provides. They have to personally pay for insurance, pension etc. It’s better for really well paid people to go back – if they can get well paid jobs back home.
Germany must not break it’s tax structures to cater to these people.
3. Language – people who do not wish to go to someone’s place and not bother to learn their language can go back and stink their home countries. They are jus cry babies and will be crying about something else wherever they are.