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    Bernie Sanders sagt, Elon Musk liege falsch in Bezug auf H-1B-Visa: „Niedrig entlohnte Vertragsbedienstete“


    Bernie Sanders sagt, Elon Musk liege falsch in Bezug auf H-1B-Visa: „Niedrig entlohnte Vertragsbedienstete“

    https://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-elon-musk-wrong-reform-h1b-visa-2025-1

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    1. SpeaksSouthern on

      Hilariously I thought this was a point where I could agree with the trump voters. Like okay, we can find small ways to work together, we’re going to stop importing cheaper labor from overseas and we’re going to force the American companies to use American labor right? Wait, the Republicans are in favor of more immigrants now? Damn, I guess the election was really about the price of eggs and y’all just want your job to be stolen by an immigrant? Okay then. We will build a wall, and we will let in the smartest ones to take the jobs from Americans. Make America profitable for a few people and miserable for the rest, USA, USA everyone chant with me USA, USA. We are a nation of immigrants taking jobs from America. Trump’s vision to have the immigrants do the work for us while they get citizenship is just brilliant. What we will do for work might be unknown but let’s give them a few ladders so they can climb over that wall we actually want them in the country now.

    2. WafflePartyOrgy on

      >’Low-wage indentured servants’

      Doesn’t really want to keep these jobs “in” the U.S.A. by paying a capable American a fair salary.

    3. deschain_19195 on

      So Republicans plan to take the higher paying jobs from middle class Americans give them to immigrants for cheaper and force Americans to take lower paying jobs.

    4. casualfinderbot on

      yeah I’m sure the career politician who’s never ran a business knows more about hiring than Elon Musk 

    8. 7f00dbbe on

      I love Bernie, but he needs and deserves to retire.

      Everything he says is true, but at this point it’s no different than a little kid that lives in a trailer asking for a pony… it ain’t happening, Bern.

      There is literally nothing he can do in the few short years he has left that will even minutely moves the needle towards his favored outcome.

      He’s already too old now, and if he keeps going, he’s just going to look like yet another old white guy that refuses to retire.

      You lost, Bernie, right along with the people you fought for.  Take a break and enjoy your remaining years… there’s nothing left for you to do.

    9. somethin_inoffensive on

      Tesla and X too lazy to maintain their branch offices in India.

    11. Traditional_Key_763 on

      they’re not so much low wage as they are economic serfs since they can be deported at the drop of a hat if they complain about the work

    13. Techstepper812 on

      I mean, no one is asking/making people to migrate to the US, legally or not. Only tankie like Sanders can’t say something like that. Meanwhile communist countries tend to have secured borders not to let people out.

      -an immigrant

    14. Galactic-Guardian404 on

      The Republican dream is to pay workers as little as possible. Anything that enables that is A-OK in their Project 2025 book.

    16. Fort_Laud_Beard on

      When I had my L1B visa appointment at the American Embassy in London in 2013, they asked how much I would be earning as they wouldn’t allow me a visa below a reasonable level for the role I was taking. Not sure how it works for H1B but I would expect similar.

    17. Gryphon962 on

      He’s wrong. I was an H1B for 6 years, I was well paid, and apart from the bureaucracy associated with the program it’s a very good thing.

    18. human1023 on

      I don’t always disagree with Musk, but on Twitter, he keeps spreading white supremacist talking points.

    19. Ihathreturd on

      Thank you Captain Obvious, anything else you would like to point out?

    20. bron685 on

      The amount of American graduates who got computer science degrees and can’t find work, to me, are proof of this statement. It’s insane. But this is also a country full of politicians that think 7.25 for minimum wage is sufficient. While complaining that their 6 figure salary isn’t enough. Also while not needing to have any qualifications for being a representative

    21. Mutex70 on

      Musk knows they are low paid indentured servants.

      That’s the point.

      Republicans *really* want to bring slavery back, but with better branding.

      Musk is their poster child for obvious reasons.

    22. ThePhoneBook on

      The *highly skilled* US visa is the “O” visa, there is no cap as each applicant is tested aggressively on their merits, it’s actually hard to get, and it is designed to bring exceptional talent to the US. It does in fact bring exceptional talent to the US. It’s almost certainly in America’s interest to keep this visa, even if you want to drastically reduce immigration. “O” visa recipients do *not* have a suitable alternative worker already in the US.

      The H1B visa is just 1. bachelors degree 2. pinky promise from the employer that they can’t find a suitable American or person already in the US with a right to work. 100% of H1B visa holders could be replaced by a suitable alternative worker already in the US, unless they were admitted on the wrong visa.

      H1B = work for us for arbitarily shit conditions, or you’re going back to India. It’s the only reason Twitter still exists. Literally hundreds of millions of people across the world could get an H1B visa, but it almost entirely targets Indian and Chinese people in practice, because it’s nothing to do with merit.

      This should be an opportunity for bipartisan support. MAGA and lefties are both naturally opposed to H1B because its purpose is to find foreigners to depress worker pay and conditions. Those who aren’t particularly militant but simply appreciate the rule of law should be against H1B because the program is dishonestly used by big business thanks to insufficient oversight. Small companies can’t really benefit from it because the sponsorship procedure is a hassle that doesn’t scale down, but at large scale it’s extremely viable, so the visa makes it harder for small businesses to compete.

      H1B is a favor to big business to the detriment of all Americans, hurting both employees *and* small businesses. Only people like Musk who chronically underpay and want reduced job mobility benefit from it. The same familiar corporations abuse it over and over every year. It has no reason whatsoever to exist.

    23. Hoodrow-Thrillson on

      Looks like Bernie is back to the anti-immigrant rhetoric he used to engage in before he started to pretend to be a Democrat in 2016.

      All empirical evidence on this subject shows immigration having no negative impact on wages. Immigrants don’t just increase the supply of labor, they increase demand for goods and services. They fill job openings that *aren’t* filled with domestic labor. Preventing Steve Jobs’ parents from immigrating to the US doesn’t mean a native worker starts Apple instead.

      Immigration is an enormous net positive which is why we have higher wages and a stronger economy than the rest of the developed world. Immigrants contribute far more than Bernie Sanders ever has, certainly.

    24. minuteman_d on

      I’ve been flamed so many times on Reddit in the past for saying that. I used to work with a LOT of people who were H1B. They were great people to work with (truly), but:

      1. They always got the projects that “we” didn’t want.
      2. They were always paid less.
      3. They knew that if they didn’t keep their mouth shut and deliver, they’d be sent back.
      4. They often were a financial help to family back in their home country.
      5. They knew that their family and especially children would have far better life opportunities here in the USA, so they were more motivated to stay at all costs.

      So, the dynamic was definitely like a mild form of indentured servitude.

    25. TheOgrrr on

      No, Elon is right. Get rid of high paid American workers for cheap foreign ones. It worked great for manufacturing companies in the 90s. They are making tons of money! Shareholders are happy. Good thing Ronnie gave them all that extra money to invest in jobs creation. They did exactly that – just not American jobs.
      Now we get to find out what a white collar version of the rust belt looks like!

    26. bzzty711 on

      Of course he’s wrong I assume everything that dildo says is wrong or stupid.

    27. Fun_Language_554 on

      Why isn’t Bernie the president-elect instead of name-your-price-bitch Trump and puppet-master Musk? Dumb MAGAs …

    28. USAF-3C0X1 on

      If this country gave a damn about its citizens, it would require 100% eligible citizen employment before allowing workers from other countries. And increase education funding to meet the demand.

    29. thetrueuncool on

      They need the skilled immigrant labor force to tide them over until they have so destroyed the economy that desperate Americans are willing to work 12 hour days for $3.50/hour. Plus it’s going to take time to build the camps and start the real horror show.

    30. Cantomic66 on

      A simple way to fix the visas is to have them get paid the same as a citizen would. That way we desensitize companies to not abuse it to cut other workers wages. That way we do use it for what it was intended for and that was to find skilled qualified immigrants when we had a true opening.

    31. goonerfan10 on

      I love Bernie but he’s absolutely & totally wrong on this one. People who are working on h1-B visas are not indentured servants at all. They cost more to employ than average American workers due to the lawyer fees, renewal fees alone is 3K$ every 18 months. They also make the same money as avg American workers.

      Indentured servants won’t be able to afford that money. There’s so much misinformation on this subject causing mass hysteria. All this H1-B anger will definitely cause another cuckoo guy to go crazy & kill someone.

    33. X2946 on

      They went from complaining about all immigrants are murderers and thieves, and need to be sent home to skilled and unskilled immigrants are important to the United States.

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