Musk verspricht „Krieg“ zum Schutz von H-1B-Visa und nennt einige Republikaner „Rassisten“

https://www.axios.com/2024/12/28/musk-war-h1b-racists-maga-doge

44 Comments

  1. Seeing the H1B visas at work, I have to say it does need a revamping.

    I found it abused and a form of modern slavery. An extreme term, I know, but one that matches the moment in my mind.

    In many cases it was all about profits over American labor, even when skills were abundantly available in the US.

  2. Traditional_Key_763 on

    they both want the same thing in principle. Musk wants captive wageslaves that he can fire and deport the second they complain, and the GOP has been fanatically anti-union and anti worker rights for decades. its just with MAGA there is no nuance. these are the guys who say anything crossing the border means we have open borders.

  3. NubileReptile on

    He will fight to the last drop of his blood (which is to say, he’ll spend a bunch of money and post a bunch on twitter) so he can maintain a large number of his employees in what is functionally indentured servitude.

    I’d like to think the ‘America First’ side of MAGA, the ones who actually believed the rhetoric, may start waking up to the idea that they were useful idiots for billionaires who are resentful they can’t own serfs. But alas, if the past ten years or so couldn’t do that, I can’t imagine what would.

  4. H1B visas as they currently work are indentured servants if they quit or get fired they get deported. They also work to suppress American workers by forcing them to compete with immigrants who under duress will access much lower wages and won’t complain.

    What the USA should do is offer a more expansive H1B visa with better conditions and not so much employer protection at the expense of their immigrant workers.

    We should also make immigrating a lot easier and make both illegal and legal immigration safe, affordable and just. The construction industry uses illegal immigrants much like Musk uses H1B visas to suppress wages and benefits of American workers to build things cheaply. Same with the farming industry. The meat processing industry and so on. If there’s a job that needs work there should be a universal standard that favors people over businesses.

  5. Tokie-Dokie on

    If only there was an extensive history of public comments and actions from Musk and Trump that highlighted their contempt for unionized American labor and living wages.

  6. Unusual_Flounder2073 on

    Oh those are the immigrants stealing jobs I was talking about. Practically indentured servants keeping Twitter alive these days

  7. GingerMan027 on

    And so it begins…..

    They can’t stop shooting each other.

    Hop aboard the clown car.

  8. HermeticAtma on

    Fuck H1B visas, that only helps bring wages down.

    We are have a lot of unemployed tech folks due to all the recent layoffs.

  9. Any_Accident1871 on

    Then you should have supported the Democrats, dipshit. You know, the “business as usual” party. Oh wait, that means you’ll have to play by the rules, which were already overwhelmingly stacked in your favor. But you couldn’t do that, could you Elon? The rules allowed you to become the richest person on Earth, possibly of all time, but that wasn’t enough for you? No, you saw Trump as an opportunity to smash the piggy bank and grab the whole thing instead of play the game that already rewarded you more than any other human alive.

    Fuck you Elon

  10. Unusual_Flounder2073 on

    Working in tech I never encountered what I felt was wage suppression by H1B. I worked a lot in the Midwest for a long time and we hardly ever got a decent US worker.

    All that said I am beginning to see the problem better as my son is about to enter the field. He indicated as a lot have that they want entry level workers but with 5 years experience. Guess who doesn’t have that. College graduates. Guess who does. Foreign workers who may have already worked and then got a masters or willing to take entry level pay. And they can say they considered US candidates as well because who with 5 years experience is applying for entry level.

    I have met and worked with a lot of really smart great people on H1B BTW. Nothing against them personally. This is about the Musks of this world not the workers.

  11. triplejumpxtreme on

    Lol so some African immigrant thinks white Americans are too stupid and wants to have mass immigration from India?

    That sounds like it will be popular with conservatives

  12. Astrologic42 on

    I think we should absolutely play their game and instigate the shit out of this hysterical maga civil war

  13. whatevers_cleaver_ on

    Perhaps, maybe, we should address our own higher education system?

    E-downvoted, eh?

    Certainly by someone who thinks our education system is world class.

    It isn’t.

  14. confusedalwayssad on

    I say put tariffs on US companies for not hiring US workers. If you’re going to run out the Hispanics might as well run out all the others too so we don’t leave anyone out just to be fair.

    Or use something like the NFL does and make the company try to hire a US worker first before they are allowed to fill out a H1B visa.

  15. donkeybrisket on

    These idiots aren’t even gonna make it to Inaugaration day. They really are not serious people. I find it insane how they duped so many for so long.

  16. US politicians and their war they love so much. Name a better combo

  17. Unlikely_Bus7611 on

    So imported goods from China that benefits everyone who shops at Wal-Mart BAD but Importing Technical high skilled labor that takes those good paying jobs and the demand for those jobs away from Americans BAD…….I dont see the logic.

    you need engineers start paying them what their worth and more people will be attracted to that job, and very shortly you’ll get all the labor you need, its called supply and demand.

  18. External-Goal-3948 on

    “his richest and most powerful advisors on one hand, and the people who swept him to office on the other.”

    Well, let’s see. Can he be elected again? No. So the people who swept him into office don’t matter at all.

    Will the rich and powerful still be rich and powerful if he survives his term? I’m going to go with yes.

    So. To recap. On one side we have a bunch of dumb idiots and on the other side we have rich and powerful elites.

    I wonder who he will pick? /s

  19. iyamwhatiyam8000 on

    He means money not blood. He came to the US on a H-1B visa and breached it by conducting business instead of being employed. If he falls out with Trump then this could be used as grounds for termination of citizenship on the basis of fraud and result in deportation to South Africa.

  20. Musk and Ramaswamy are pouring gasoline on the US student loan crisis — and are just making it that much worse.

    Plus, there are so many H1-B recipients who have overstayed their visas — Tom Homan should add these people to the top of his list.

    These tech “CEOs” merely want to dilute the wages of the American workforce.

    Ramaswamy is what Trump calls an “anchor baby”; his mother wasn’t a US citizen when he was born and his baby daddy still isn’t a US citizen.

    Raise Musk and Ramaswamy’s taxes 10-fold until they start singing the red, white, and blue

  21. The richest man in the world wants to be able to retain this modern form of slavery while the GOP wants more “skilled” white people that they will agree to never pay a reasonable wage to. Seems like an impasse.

  22. Extra-Presence3196 on

    What a very worn out move…Interesting to hear a recipient of apartheid’s riches call US citizens racists.

    Maybe Musk should be championing equal opportunities for American minorities in high tech instead.

    He and Vivek are the likely Racists, although Vivek hasn’t come out and said something similar….yet.

    Vivek is the son of priest caste Indians…the disdain and hatred from the priest caste toward lower castes, especially children of light, is common knowledge. 

    Most of the H1B candidates from India are priest caste.

    The priest caste enjoys the lion’s share of educational opportunities in India; they are the rich elite.

    Now these two want to push their system of labor division onto Americans.

    Land of the free my eye, Elon.

  23. s4t0sh1n4k4m0t0 on

    Lol, a white south african calling other people racist is WILD

  24. CTRL_S_Before_Render on

    Alright. Time to play devil’s advocate. Im seeing this discourse become a bit black and white for what is a truly grey situation.

    I’ve met numerous works on H1B Visas who through the program were able to fundamentally completely change their life for the better and eventually become US citizens.

    The ones I worked with directly were paid competitively as well, were fantastic workers, and loved their jobs.

    Without there being a better, improved replacement. Which I agree is necessary, getting rid of the H1-B visa will solely hurt these skilled foreign workers. There won’t be enough jobs created to have a notable impact on our economy for US workers. The jobs would be filled domestically if possible.

    Clearly Musk is driven by self interest and clearly the right is legitimately racist and going for the ‘they’re taking our jerbs’ approach. But that doesn’t mean there isn’t a third truth here where without H1-B visas there is no mechanism for skilled foreign workers to work in the US and that’s a problem.

    And I’m not just talking about India and China. The H1-B Visa workers I knew were from Canada, UK, Iceland, Germany, etc.

    There isn’t a single Visa worker in the US that wants to see it disappear. I’m sure almost all of them what it to be reformed so they aren’t as dependent on their employer, but that doesn’t appear to be what’s happening here.

  25. John_Walker on

    They react really well when called racist. Historically, it always results in self reflection and rational discourse.

    I’m sure pointing this out will diffuse the situation for Musk.

  26. Sea_Butterfly1134 on

    Elon states that there is not enough talent in the US. If you’ve worked for any Fortune 100 company – there are plenty of Americans with talent. Companies have been replacing Americans by outsourcing to other countries and exploiting the H-1B program. Companies don’t want to pay for highly skilled Americans. That’s how they keep investors happy. Lower costs. Elon wants to lower costs and reduce regulation on workers.

    This all leads to a gap in skilled workers now and in the future as those skilled workers transition to other careers / industries to put food on their table.

    For example, the company I work for is “globalizing” their very regulated business to include call centers in India and PI. They will now have control of those call centers – it’s not even outsourced. They have also expanded in European countries to start outsourcing project work. Pretty much our whole IT department was outsourced to India more than 5 years ago.

    Want to talk about non-Americans taking American jobs?? Companies and people like Elon are doing a great job of making that happen themselves even without “open borders” in play. And don’t even get me started on us having to teach our internal AI tool how to do our own jobs!!!

  27. Dude utterly sanitizes 150 years of American history into ‘meritocracy’ and calls other people racist.

  28. UtzTheCrabChip on

    “I thought the dumb racists would just believe what I told them to believe”

  29. No-Beach-7923 on

    It’s not H-1B visas ruining American jobs. Its CEO’s sending jobs to low wage countries. My last two jobs my team was all laid off and our jobs were replaced by people in other countries for a lower wage. Capitalism is dying and will get worse as AI grows to replace jobs.

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