This is coming from a party that always insists more regulation is bad, and that prides itself in being opposed to unnecessary taxes and such.
I can’t stop laughing.
neveler310 on
Not enough. I’d propose 100k
Massive_Robot_Cactus on
This is an excellent idea, and might have some very interesting side effects, like increased probation period retention rates and higher wages from decreased supply.
babicko90 on
So for my small company hireing super specialized people from wherever i get them, i just get fucked with 10k per person??
rebokan88 on
A trained migrant worker will recoup that very fast
Rino-feroce on
meh, I would not be against it. But I doubt it will have a major impact on the inflow of immigrants, with the exception of low skilled labour (which would likely be spared anyway from this, if the measure only applies to companies with more than 250 employee).
Side effect: putting a higher value on foreign workers compared to swiss ones. When it comes to firing, sunk cost fallacy will ensure that the swiss one is thrown out.
granviaje on
what utter bs.
the majority of people i’ve worked with in the last 20 years were not swiss. not because they were cheaper but simply because there are not enough swiss with the skills needed. even when i was hiring there have been barely any swiss applying (i’m working in tech).
great way to have all these companies close there swiss offices. i can’t believe some fdp politician thinks this is a good idea.
Harkresonance on
this is awful
daemontool23 on
To discover the real issue behind this, probably the question should be: how will be used exactly the funds generated by this initiative.
ganbaro on
I will never understand the fear of EU citizens migrating
Its basically the wealthiest and most educated heavily migrating demographic in the world. Besides maybe Hongkongers and Taiwanese fleeing from the geopolitical risks at home. Most places in the world would take EU academics and german-, dutch etc trained handymen with joy. You receive the results of some of the most expensive and best rated educational programs for free
BezugssystemCH1903 on
Unpopular opinion from me here and based on the statements of the people here on r/switzerland, the majority unfortunately does not correspond to the Swiss average, you could already see that with the 13th old-age pensionat at the end you can stone me.
I find this idea better than the alternative(s), especially because it only applies to companies with 250 or more employees and only when certain thresholds are met. The hospitality and hotel sectors are not affected.
The alternative(s) looks like this:
The government negotiates with the EU about future rules, and the population will have to vote on it. I will also vote “no” because I oppose the unequal treatment of expenses for EU citizens from low-wage countries.
Others will cast a “no” vote because they are generally against foreigners. Generally against a lot of Expats here.
It’s a very lousy proposal, as no one is satisfied.
The SVP has already collected the 100,000 signatures for the “Max 10 Million Switzerland” initiative, so we will have to vote on it. If it passes, we can kiss the bilateral agreements goodbye. If it doesn’t, the Federal Council will have to come up with a counterproposal, or we’ll vote on it again in five years, with even more hostility.
They are playing for time with the CHF 10,000, as can be seen so clearly here:
> The entrepreneur also explains: It is clear that the EU would protest against the “solidarity contribution” of CHF 10,000. Brussels would likely even initiate proceedings against Switzerland. However, it could take up to eight years for these to be completed. “By that time, we can repeal the levy again because immigration will have decreased,” says Michel.
This will have a signaling effect, and to come back to the beginning:
> “The measures must hurt us,” said FDP National Councilor Simon Michel this week at the “Lucerne Dialogue.”
Only then will people realize that we are not an island, but it will be less severe than the complete termination of the bilateral agreements.
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This is coming from a party that always insists more regulation is bad, and that prides itself in being opposed to unnecessary taxes and such.
I can’t stop laughing.
Not enough. I’d propose 100k
This is an excellent idea, and might have some very interesting side effects, like increased probation period retention rates and higher wages from decreased supply.
So for my small company hireing super specialized people from wherever i get them, i just get fucked with 10k per person??
A trained migrant worker will recoup that very fast
meh, I would not be against it. But I doubt it will have a major impact on the inflow of immigrants, with the exception of low skilled labour (which would likely be spared anyway from this, if the measure only applies to companies with more than 250 employee).
Side effect: putting a higher value on foreign workers compared to swiss ones. When it comes to firing, sunk cost fallacy will ensure that the swiss one is thrown out.
what utter bs.
the majority of people i’ve worked with in the last 20 years were not swiss. not because they were cheaper but simply because there are not enough swiss with the skills needed. even when i was hiring there have been barely any swiss applying (i’m working in tech).
great way to have all these companies close there swiss offices. i can’t believe some fdp politician thinks this is a good idea.
this is awful
To discover the real issue behind this, probably the question should be: how will be used exactly the funds generated by this initiative.
I will never understand the fear of EU citizens migrating
Its basically the wealthiest and most educated heavily migrating demographic in the world. Besides maybe Hongkongers and Taiwanese fleeing from the geopolitical risks at home. Most places in the world would take EU academics and german-, dutch etc trained handymen with joy. You receive the results of some of the most expensive and best rated educational programs for free
Unpopular opinion from me here and based on the statements of the people here on r/switzerland, the majority unfortunately does not correspond to the Swiss average, you could already see that with the 13th old-age pensionat at the end you can stone me.
I find this idea better than the alternative(s), especially because it only applies to companies with 250 or more employees and only when certain thresholds are met. The hospitality and hotel sectors are not affected.
The alternative(s) looks like this:
The government negotiates with the EU about future rules, and the population will have to vote on it. I will also vote “no” because I oppose the unequal treatment of expenses for EU citizens from low-wage countries.
Others will cast a “no” vote because they are generally against foreigners. Generally against a lot of Expats here.
It’s a very lousy proposal, as no one is satisfied.
The SVP has already collected the 100,000 signatures for the “Max 10 Million Switzerland” initiative, so we will have to vote on it. If it passes, we can kiss the bilateral agreements goodbye. If it doesn’t, the Federal Council will have to come up with a counterproposal, or we’ll vote on it again in five years, with even more hostility.
They are playing for time with the CHF 10,000, as can be seen so clearly here:
> The entrepreneur also explains: It is clear that the EU would protest against the “solidarity contribution” of CHF 10,000. Brussels would likely even initiate proceedings against Switzerland. However, it could take up to eight years for these to be completed. “By that time, we can repeal the levy again because immigration will have decreased,” says Michel.
This will have a signaling effect, and to come back to the beginning:
> “The measures must hurt us,” said FDP National Councilor Simon Michel this week at the “Lucerne Dialogue.”
Only then will people realize that we are not an island, but it will be less severe than the complete termination of the bilateral agreements.
Alright, now you can stone me.