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    Die Zeitersparnis durch die neue Route, die der chinesische Hafen Chancay (eröffnet am 14. November) kartieren wird


    Die Zeitersparnis durch die neue Route, die der chinesische Hafen Chancay (eröffnet am 14. November) kartieren wird

    Von giuliomagnifico

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    1. giuliomagnifico on

      And this is why – justifiably – the USA would impose a 60% tariff on all goods arriving from it

    4. TakeMeHomeUrbanRoads on

      So they want to build a highway from peru to manaus? Deforestation would skyrocket.

    5. Puzzleheaded-Cell523 on

      Isn’t the route crossing the Andes and the Amazon Forest?

    6. 2012Jesusdies on

      One of the stupidest ideas I’ve ever heard. Yeah, instead of seaborne transport through the Panama and onto riverbarges, let’s trudge through one of the highest mountains and the largest rainforest crossing multiple gigantic rivers.

    7. uniyk on

      Why did it need to stop at Mexico and LA if it’s a Brazil-China route?

    8. Rare_Opportunity2419 on

      So I’m guessing that there will be a railway line connecting Chancay to a river port like Iquitos in the Amazon region of Peru, from which cargo can ship along the Amazon River to Manaus, Brazil. I don’t see how this is economical versus simply shipping from Manaus to China by sailing down to the Atlantic through the mouth of the Amazon, and then through the Panama canal. Not to mention the challenges of building a train line across the Andes and Amazon rainforest (and all the deforestation required).

      I’m not saying it’s unfeasible, but at first glance it seems a bit crazy to me.

      Edit: Apparently there’s no real plan for how to connect the Amazon to the Pacific (at Chancay). What a shock. No plans to build rail connection, which would be extremely difficult and expensive, and the existing roads over the Andes aren’t suitable for the trucks that are normally used to transport soybeans and corn. But the graphic makes for some nice propaganda for the Belt and Road Initiative.

      [https://gcaptain.com/chinas-1-3-billion-gamble-on-peru-port-faces-snags-from-andes-to-amazon/](https://gcaptain.com/chinas-1-3-billion-gamble-on-peru-port-faces-snags-from-andes-to-amazon/)

      It would be great for Brazil and Peru if they could have better overland trade, but geography is geography.

    9. timpdx on

      Why Manaus? The population centers of Brazil are Rio/Sao Paulo, and the large coastal Brazilian cities. Manaus population is like a couple million.

    10. VoteGiantMeteor2028 on

      I love how this route goes in a straight line through one the tallest mountain ranges in the world (which doesn’t have a rail line crossing) then through one of the densest jungles in the world, to a city which is known for being the largest metropolitan area that isn’t connected to a highway… since they use the Amazon for transport.

    12. ArtisticRegardedCrak on

      By this logic the fastest route would be going to Shanghai to the Panama Canal. Obviously if they include 4 stops, Hawaii is included, it will be slower

    13. 2squishmaster on

      Why does the current route *need” to stop in the US and Mexico? Seems like that’s adding a few miles…

    15. OneRingOfBenzene on

      My dumbass over here was trying to figure out how they dug a canal from Manaus to Chancay to complete the loop.

    18. SacoNegr0 on

      I find it quite funny how people on reddit who just learned about the project are suddenly experts saying, “x way would’ve been way easier, are they dumb?” as if millions of engineers from 4 different countries haven’t been thinking about how to solve this particular problem for decades.

    20. AttackHelicopterKin9 on

      Manaus is in the middle of the Amazon and there are already ports on the West Coast of South America.

    22. WjU1fcN8 on

      Here’s the situation right now: the port of Chancay has been innaugurated, but it’s used to access Peru and as a stop before the Panamá Canal.

      Manaus industries and the city hall are asking for the last leg of the journey shown to be built: https://monitormercantil.com.br/porto-de-chancay-manaus-quer-mais-investimentos-chineses-de-olho-na-rota-da-seda/ (in Portuguese).

      But the costs of the highway transport are too high, a railroad would have to be built, and it would be very expensive. Many countries tried and failed to connect Brazil and Peru through a railway.

    23. Green7501 on

      I ain’t no marine logistics but can’t they just, you know, send the ships *through* the Panama Canal to Macapa and then put them on smaller ships to Manaus. It’s not like they can build a railway connecting Peru with Brazil due to the Andes and Amazon Forest? That’s the whole reason that damn canal exists

      Looks more like a political than an economic move

    24. Oda_Owari on

      It’s easy to understand why the starting point is Shanghai—it’s a major industrial city and a port. But why was the endpoint chosen as Manaus instead of São Paulo, Rio, or somewhere similar?

    25. arkallastral on

      I don’t understand why you are only thinking about trade between China and Brazil, forgetting that this port will serve all South American countries, especially trade between Peru and Asia, where 3 of its 5 largest trading partners are from, including China, which is its largest trading partner. It will relieve the port of Callao and potentially divert business from the Panama Canal (under American control) which is also already very congested and suffering from drought problems. It will also be a major geopolitical blow against the US, helping to further strengthen China’s growing influence in the region…

      *”The newly opened container port will shave 10 to 12 days off shipment times between Shanghai and Peru, reducing transit times to around 23 days. It will also cut logistics costs for shipments between China and Peru by at least 20 percent, the state-run China Global Television Network (CGTN) reported.”*

      *”China’s exports to Peru – mainly mobile phones, computers, toys and LCD televisions, but with shipments of construction machinery also surging – grew by 12.3 per cent year on year to US$11.32 billion in the first 10 months of this year, according to customs data. Imports from Peru increased by 16.2 per cent to US$24.5 billion in the same period.”*

      *”The timing could hardly be better. This year, a Chinese free-trade deal with Ecuador came into effect and Beijing signed a deal with Venezuela on the protection of each other’s investments.*

      *Colombia agreed in October to join the Belt and Road Initiative, a Chinese effort to smooth global trade routes by building new infrastructure, and China and Peru upgraded a 15-year-old free-trade agreement this month.”*

      [Link](https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3287737/mega-port-reshapes-china-latin-america-trade-amid-us-tariff-threats) – [link2](https://globalamericans.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Strategic-Political-and-Economic-Implications-of-the-Chancay-Port-Development.pdf)

    26. LupusDeusMagnus on

      Redditors armchair logistics and engineering questioning a project they just learnt about.

    27. Funnyanduniquename1 on

      This isn’t a good thing, we don’t need more dodgy Belt and Road projects.

    28. corymuzi on

      The route that go through Indian Ocean and Atlantic Ocean to Santos port from Shanghai, is similar length as the route that go through Pacific Ocean to Chancay port.

    29. Logical_Hat_5708 on

      Very little trade goes over the Andes between Peru and Brazil. The reason for that is that both sides of the border are very sparsely populated and very little infrastructure… I can see how this port could be beneficial for Peru… and maybe with time the infrastructure would be built to enable trade… but despite this port being built it would probably be just as beneficial from a cost perspective for someone in Iquitos to ship their goods down the Amazon river to the Atlantic Ocean than to take it over the rugged Andes. Especially considering the items these business would produce are probably bulk commodities.

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