Dänische Erziehungstests stehen in der Kritik, nachdem das Baby einer grönländischen Mutter entzogen wurde

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/25/danish-parenting-tests-baby-removed-from-greenlandic-mother

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  1. djingo_dango on

    The future is socialized child rearing where all newborns are pooled into one place and taken care of by specialists. No individual parenthood necessary. It is what’s best for babies /s

  2. Atomkommitten on

    > A passage from her case file states that her “Greenlandic background, where even small facial expressions have communicative significance,” would make it difficult for her to prepare the child for “social expectations and codes that are necessary in Danish society”.

    WTF!?

  3. LurkingWeirdo88 on

    Well, Trump won the election, he will buy out the Greenland and put end to this cruel practices.

  4. Political_LOL_center on

    “Kronvold, 38, was given an FKU test in 2014 before the birth of her second child, a boy, and again recently while pregnant with her third child. Speaking through an intermediary, she told the Guardian that on this last occasion she was told it was to see if she was “civilised enough”.”

    Holy fuck.

  5. TheSleepingPoet on

    ***TLDR***

    Denmark is facing criticism for using psychometric parenting tests that campaigners believe unfairly discriminate against Greenlandic parents. This issue has gained attention following the controversial removal of a newborn from Keira Alexandra Kronvold, a Greenlandic mother. Critics argue that these tests, which are deemed culturally inappropriate, are associated with higher rates of child removals among Greenlandic families living in Denmark.

    Although the Danish government has encouraged municipalities to reconsider using these tests, it has not implemented an outright ban. Human rights groups contend that the tests do not adequately account for cultural and linguistic differences, which can lead to severe misjudgments with significant consequences for families. Kronvold, whose first language is Kalaallisut, is currently allowed to visit her baby for only one hour per week under supervision.

  6. This sounds really horrible. Both that test and also the very disturbing note in her file that greenlandic facial expressions are different and thus she would have trouble raising her child to function in danish society.

    > Danish authorities say the parenting competency test, known as forældrekompetenceundersøgelse (FKU), is far from the only tool used to assess whether or not a child should be removed from their parents. 

    I’m having trouble believing this is enough for the government to take your own child away from you, and the above quote seems to imply that. Does anyone know if there is something else at play here, like a hidtory of alcoholism, or some kind of child abuse or some radical beliefs or something?

    I experienced abuse from both my parents for almost two decades, and am still struggling to deal with some of the consequences of that more than 20 years after I moved out. I am all for saving children from horrible parents, but this article makes it seem like the child was just taken away because Denmark is racist.

    I know almost nothing about danish society. How likely is it that this was just racism vs there were more serious reasons other than “facial expressions” and other racist garbage?

  7. Real-Ad-8451 on

    A baby NEEDS his mother, even if she’s not “civilized” anyway, it’s for the baby’s well being. It’s a monstrous story, and it’s terrifying to think that it’s happening in Denmark, in Europe.

  8. Gold-Instance1913 on

    Sound like state overreach, but apparently in 1% of the cases based on the silly test Denmark takes children away from their parents, which sounds super-nazi to me. Why risk having children if the state can simply take them away?

    Also here they complain for Grenlandic woman, but what about all other immigrants? Do Poles in Denmark fail that test more and are they, as usual, just not indigenous enough to be protected?

  9. Zippidyzopdippidybop on

    I’m sure I speak for most of us here when I say that this is an unequivocally racist practice that sounds like it comes from the 1700s, nevermind today. It needs rescinded as soon as possible.

    I feel so sorry for that poor woman and child; I sincerely hope she finds justice in this case.

  10. Spin_Quarkette on

    What does that even mean “not being civilized enough”?? Did she get caught eating something with her fingers? I could understand if a child is removed because someone lacks the mental capacity to ensure the safety of the child, but “not being civilized”?? I’d say the act of taking a newborn from its mother is pretty darn uncivilized.

  11. IllustratorWhich973 on

    Anti Denmark propaganda to prepare US buy of Greenland.

    There is no doubt that greenlandic natives have been mistreated in the past, no denying that, it is also true that the danish state can take your children, if you are unfit to be a parent. That could be because of mental illness, abuse or using drugs or too much alcohol. That goes for both danish and greenlandic natives. The test is faulty and should be stopped asap, but what the article fail to tell all of you, is the massive social problems in Greenland. The abuse of children, alcoholism, suicide and domestic violence is really high in Greenland, sadly. That is why the test was made in the first place to try to save some kids from abusive parrents. While that does not completely excuse the danish state, it does explain why this exists.

    If you compare Greenland to other arctic natives in Russia, Alaska and Canada they more less have the same problems, that does not excuse the colonizer, but it seems to be a more complex issue than just a bad danish practice. If you think the natives in Greenland are better of under american rule, just think about native americans and the problems they have or in Russia for that matter. The danish wellfare system is not perfect, but it does secure you a bare minimum of a good secure life. Greenland are self governing and receive loads of money, with literally no money flowing back to Denmark. While it is not perfect its the best ruler they will ever have.

  12. Radiant_Way5857 on

    I wish we had these tests. Danes are miles ahead in terms of welfare.

  13. MakeMeAnICO on

    Americans: “scandiavian societies are so advanced, we want to be like them”

    Scandinavian societes: …

  14. LittleFairyOfDeath on

    Can i just point out how often people say “oh if only there was a parenting license” and then when something of that nature shows up, they all call it barbaric. Not agreeing with either side but just wanted to point that out.

    As for this specific case, considering we don’t actually know the whole story and only her side, i am not sure anyone should take a side yet.

  15. ChaoticTransfer on

    This whole article is so backwards. They only criticize the danish government for taking the child away because it was discriminatory, but they don´t question at all whether it is right or wrong to do so in the first place, especially preventatively and preemptively. Are we living in Tom Cruise´s Minority Report already? This “test” should be condemned from a human rights perspective.

  16. I thought it was only Germany that had long words like this:

    forældrekompetenceundersøgelse

  17. _Hollywood___ on

    We don’t have all the information so it’s hard to make a conclusion, but one thing is for sure, that test sucks ass and shouldn’t be used. I’ve seen this stuff a lot with other parents, where they only give their side of the story to get sympathy. I’m not saying that is guaranteed here, but it’s always difficult when we only get one side of the story. I’ve worked in government before and I know that it takes a lot for the state to take your children. Usually a drug, drinking or violence problem (not saying that is the case here, since we don’t know anything).

    Look at this quote from article:

    “After the first test she was separated permanently from her eight-month-old son and nine-year-old daughter. It is unclear to what extent the test results contributed to that decision, but they are believed to have been among the reasons why, within hours of giving birth to her third child on 7 November, Kronvold’s baby was removed”

    There is a lot of context missing here. It seems as if her children were just randomly taken. I find it very hard to believe that they did this based solely on a test, when we get no information. She could share documents if she really wanted to, but if she doesn’t want to, it’s really hard to make a conclusion (the state isn’t allowed to share it themselves).

  18. > Danish authorities say the parenting competency test, known as **forældrekompetenceundersøgelse** (FKU),

    christ almighty! is the usage of spacebar also heavily taxed in denmark or what?!

    on a more related note: wtf is a psychometric test?!

  19. FeelingIntrepid9115 on

    That happens when you give to much power to the government.

  20. Delicious-Tree-6725 on

    So, Nordic countries consider that the society they all live in should provide equal chances to everyone, in order to do so, they believe that early childhood and childhood is very important. That also means that they use standards or they measure that somehow, and they apply it in Denmark (the mother lives in Denmark). Over 1% of Danish children are taken away while almost 6 % of Greenlander children living in Denmark are.
    At the same time, the government provides one of the best social security standards in the world, hence their boldness in regards to standards.
    Make whatever you want to make of this.

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