Jon Stewart an die Demokraten: „Schlupflöcher ausnutzen“

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2024/nov/19/jon-stewart-democrats-trump

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  1. WhatYouThinkYouSee on

    > “Government is theoretically a constitutional system of checks and balances between equally powerful branches,” he continued. “But what government actually is, is an overly complicated, byzantine, bureaucratic maze of rules, loopholes to those rules, and norms. Complex enough that, A, if you want to find a rule that keeps you from doing something, you’ll find it. And B, if you actually want to do something, you can find a loophole to get around said rule. And then the norms are just how often you’ve had to pull any of this shit.

    > “Republicans exploit the loopholes,” he later added. “Democrats complain about the norms over and over and over, and it has ghastly consequences.”

    > Trump and his allies “don’t give a fuck about your norms. They will exploit any loophole, even if they have to go through clearly closed windows to do it,” Stewart concluded before showing footage of January 6. “Now Trump has the House, Senate, presidency and judiciary. So it’s gonna get harder, not easier. Democrats are going to have to forcefully play the loophole.”

  2. Actual__Wizard on

    Seriously: Stop being nice. It’s not going to help. Nobody is going think “oh well, the democrats got a win, but it doesn’t really count because they used a loophole.” No, absolutely nobody cares how the things that need to get done, get done. Nobody.

  3. sideAccount42 on

    Two that stick with me are that when Musk interfered with a Ukranian military operation he should have been arrested and his companies nationalized.

    Harris could have overruled the senate Parliamentarian to allow a vote on a $15 minimum wage during Budget Reconciliation.

  4. renegade_yankee on

    I would have laughed if people suggested Jon Stewart to run for president years ago. But I’m more open to the idea now.

  5. BukkitCrab on

    The only people who would complain about Democrats using loopholes are the Republicans (who use loopholes *all the time*), and they’re going to complain no matter what so it’s time to stop placating them and start playing the game on their same level.

  6. Democrats: *attempt to exploit loopholes*

    Republican courts: Nah

    Voters: “Man, Democrats suck, guess I just won’t vote this year.”

  7. cephalopodomus on

    Just watched this episode and then saw another article about how Matt Gaetz’s nomination to AG effectively keeps him from being prosecuted in the House for having sex with a minor and possibly paying for it.

    Why are the Dems (and decent Republicans) just shrugging their shoulders? The dude “allegedly” paid to have sex with minors at drug-fueled orgies, so why tf can’t the police just arrest him?!

  8. SubKreature on

    It really is too late at this point. Democrats handed the country to Conservative nutjobs by chronically taking the higher ground.

  9. 1llseemyselfout on

    100%. Biden should have already gotten all the evidence Smith collected and released it.

    They literally ran on Trump being absolutely shit for democracy but yet they’ve been enabling him this entire time.

  10. alabasterskim on

    Yeah, like not letting yourselves be stopped by the parliamentarian.

  11. The-Questcoast on

    Been saying this for a long time. This whole we go high bullshit has led us to this point.

  12. Darius2112 on

    Damn right. Lefty’s don’t know how to fight the right. They’re much more adept at tearing each other down over the slightest deviations in ideological purity than uniting in common cause.

    They don’t have to live in the muck like the GOP, but they could at least get a little dusty.

  13. Arrmadillo on

    Texas Rep. James Talarico encouraged Biden to play the game more aggressively. Guess that didn’t quite happen.

    James Talarico – [2022 Texas Democratic Convention Speech](https://www.instagram.com/jamestalarico/reel/CgFVzAfJ85H/)

    “Mr. President, you saved our nation once by defeating Trump. Now we need you to restore its soul by defeating *Trumpism.* We need you and our nation’s leaders to start using every tool in the toolbox to protect our freedom. Lease federal land to abortion providers. Declare a public health emergency. Impeach justices who lied under oath. Prosecute Trump and his fellow insurrectionists. And finally call the filibuster what it is, a Jim Crow relic that stands between the American people and cheap prescription drugs, universal pre-K, and a livable planet. Play, Mr. President, play to the fullest extent of the rules. Be brave. Be bold. Be big. Be a little less Washington and a little more Texas. Meet this moment before it’s too late. If we’ve learned anything from history, it’s that fascism – whether in 20th century Europe or the Jim Crow South or Putin’s Russia – can’t be stopped by playing nice or playing safe.”

  14. Great idea.

    What are some useful examples? Filibuster all of his cabinet picks? Refuse to ever give quorum to anything that goes to congress? Impeach him every day?

  15. It’s literally too late for this. The time to do it was in 2021 and the time before that was 2012.

  16. bilbobadcat on

    Also, for us laypeople, don’t be afraid to make as much money off of these people as you can. You can use it for good, but it’s okay to rob the rich (who think they’re poor because they can’t afford a boat).

  17. They need to stop trying to play nice with these pieces of shit. They don’t want to work with you, so screw them and stop trying to reach across the aisle.

  18. TobioOkuma1 on

    Democrats respect institutions too much. They will always maintain the status quo and are terrified to make big shakes. Meanwhile the right will do anything for power and will actively lie and fuck over anything and anyone who gets in their way.

  19. CincinnatusSee on

    Biden should sign an executive order that the next president can’t sign any executive orders unless they allow any trials to go forward for the sitting president.

  20. Jackinapox on

    Biden said that Trump is a threat to our Democracy and the next day he’s grinning ear to ear with that fascist prick on the White House. Man the American spirit is dead. How can anyone take either party seriously anymore?

  21. Abuse them.

    Only good can come of it. We want those loopholes gone anyway and the best way to get rid of something you don’t like your opponents doing, is to abuse it yourself.

  22. Democrats aren’t gonna do anything. Dozens are already lining up behind Trump and the rest are saying that the left is the reason why they lost and shifting far right.

  23. He’s not wrong.

    This isn’t about left vs. right, it’s about who can get results in a bloated, ineffective system of Government, with a clear, simple message focused on tangible results.

    Democrats still hold high-minded rhetoric, norms and traditions dear, while voters see them as ineffective and out of touch, which isn’t unfair.

    Republicans have said fuck high-minded rhetoric, norms and traditions, in a bloated, ineffective system of government the ends justify the means and the voters agreed with them.

    It’s not about rhetoric, norms or traditions, it’s about getting results from a bloated and ineffective government, simple messaging, focused on tangible results average people can see, in the short term.

    This is why Republicans are winning.

  24. Ok_Host4786 on

    If there’s one thing I hate about the Democratic Party, is that they’re spineless. I am beyond sick of the high road idealistic
    nonsense. I mean. Good, God Almighty. The GOP found ways to take down Roe and outlaw abortion, and all the Democrats could do was fucking fundraise! They are WILDLY ineffective.

    The Dems should come down from their high-horse and get a little dirty sometime, instead of just being a damn door mat.

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