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39 Comments
Come back when it’s tens of millions, or even millions.
He just won a 174 seat majority in an election where Brexit was rarely spoken about, but it’s a petition with 30,000 signatures thats going to put pressure on him…
Surely they should recognise the consequences of putting more effort into the Remain campaign after the referendum instead of before it?
If we want to rejoin the EU (and as things stand, that’s a big though plausible if), then it’s going to take more then asking Starmer nicely.
Put simply, we don’t yet meet the requirements for membership. That wasn’t a problem when he had our opt-outs, but good luck getting those back. And Starmer’s got the red wall to worry about, which is why he’s not budging on things like FoM despite the EU offering them as part of his *reset.*
You want to get back in the EU? Then put your back into hard policy. Full transparency, I want it to happen, but It’s not happening this decade whether you get a debate in parliament or not. You need a solid foundation first.
He’s not in a particularly enviable position. He either accepts reality and further upsets the conservative media apparatus or buries his head in the sand and looks like an idiot to anyone with a working pair of eyes.
This is just delusional. Whether or not you think Britain should rejoin the EU, Starmer is absolutely not under any pressure to rejoin.
Pressure?
Rejoining the EU is literally impossible.
Putin, via Hungry, would need to agree.
Spain wants Gibraltar
France wants the UK to have the Euro
Poland and Germany want no restrictions on migration
Greece wants money
An application today would take 5–10 years – so Starmer would have lost the election before it even went through.
Genuine question, is there any reason we shouldn’t?
Feel like leaving was a huge mistake. What’s the arguments for not rejoining?
Assuming the conditions of re-joining hold (FoM, eventually joining the Euro) I can’t see us rejoining for decades, if at all.
I expect some treaty change and closer alignment instead, then potentially a customs union.
This isn’t going to go away for him, it’s the elephant in the room.
We all know about pro-Europeans in the centre and left of politics and how Trump might force him to be more pro-EU.
Some have recently suggested that the [EU could actually become right wing](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/18/european-union-right-wing-ursula-von-der-leyen-eu-commission-hard-right-parties), if that actually does happen then suddenly some people on the right of British politics might start to warm to the EU. If big businesses who’ve felt the pain of brexit start to lean on the Tories there might be a softening of attitudes as well. If the right wing media in the UK follow suit…
So tired of the ‘remain’ media pushing this false narrative.
Sometimes I think you have to forget the past history and look at where you are now and where you want to be. For me that is that we have a huge trading opportunity in EU on our doorstep and be talking with them as to how to improve that trading relationship beyond what we have now. Sadly I suspect that means we will be perpetually in some form of negotiation!
If we attempted to rejoin the EU, it would spark a massive backlash from those who voted or supported it.
The EU would also be able to name their price and we would not be negotiating from a position of strength.
We’re essentially the ex that went off the rails and are now begging to be taken back.
In case you’re interested in supporting the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700005
Just no, the vote is done. Let’s just move forward.
People should be clear there are 2 options with Europe, the EEC and the EU. Re-joining the EEC is essential to keep the UK afloat and give it any kind of growth.
The EU is mainly politics and is far more complicated, even if latest polls show a majority want to rejoin.
This would ensure we get a Reform government in 2029 if Starmer started talking about rejoining the EU. Absolute political suicide for Starmer
How come Boris/Liz/Rishi weren’t under the same pressure to rejoin where pretty much anyone who was anyone pointed out what a utter disaster Brexit was. Suddenly KS is, funny that.
I’m not a Brit, but I seriously don’t understand why the UK rushed to self sabotage by leaving the EU. You had access to live and work in other EU states, access to markets, and the UK was more attractive for investment under the EU. You shrank your economy based on fake claims like saving £350m a week for the NHS (which turned out to be a lie) and wanted to stop inflow of immigration, only to end up receiving more every day now.
Brexit has damaged the country on many levels. Considering the political headwinds in the US and Russia, rejoining is a no brainer.
30,000 calling to rejoin vs 17,400,000 who voted to leave.
Which is a slap in the face to Scotland. Referenda are once in a generation or is that not correct?
Well the country didn’t sink into the Ocean like the tories, labour, media said so I’m good.
I say stay out. That way we get to trade with USA and Europe. Trump doesn’t like the EU. It’ll cause us hassle if we rejoin.
Peace ✌️
The “revoke article 50” petition got over 6 million votes and the government of the day managed to completely ignore it.
It would be nice if labour gave people some hope that these petitions aren’t utterly pointless.
Please can the Left respect democracy.
I say this as a Remainer.
Democracy is critical whether or not you agree with the outcome.
Rejoin the EU? Personally, I am all for it. But lets at least be honest about what it entails rather than having the ambiguity which many who push for re-joining seem to revel in.
For example. All of those exemptions to EU rules we had? Yeah, we are not getting them back.
The budget rebate? Nope.
Keep the Pound? Forget about it.
When the truth about what it entails comes out, I’m willing to bet that many people may have second thoughts.
Is it weird that I don’t even care about being back in the EU at this point, but I **do** care about being in the single market? Like, to me, as long as we’re in the single market I don’t really care if we’re in the EU or not.
Actually, isn’t that the best option? Because the people who voted to leave the EU have nothing to complain about since we didn’t rejoin the EU but also it means that our economy isn’t slowly dying in a ditch.
30k….if it was 30m it would mean something.
We aren’t in the EU can we have one day without people twisting reality to get us to rejoin
Honestly I don’t think this is about Leave vs Remain anymore. Most of the country just can’t be arsed. It took 4½ years from the vote to when Britain actually left the EU, and that period was one of the most acrimonious in British political history. Meanwhile, children live in poverty, our public transport is atrocious, the heath service is falling apart, and people are losing faith in the police to keep them safe.
All of those problems predate Brexit, but there seems to be an oh-so-very-right-on section of the Left that has come to view rejoining as the same kind of silver bullet that leaving was made out to be all those years ago. The reality is likely to be that most people couldn’t give a toss either way about EU membership, and are far more concerned about day-to-day issues.
Why on earth would the UK want to rejoin, the EU is an absolute basket case, it’s former economic driver Germany is in an economic tail spin, it won’t be getting out of for many years if ever.
It funds one of the most bloated, expensive & and self-serving bureaucracies on the planet that has made one bad decision after another.
Do you really want Van de Leyen governing & setting policy for the UK ?
She’s like Starmer on steroids, with always another piece of draconian legislation ready to implement to ensure people behave
lol another fabricated non story (30,000 signatures)
These clickbait headlines really piss me off. So misleading.
This could be an opportunity for Starmer to ask the public what they want us to do. There are a lot of options such as:
* Pursue trade deals with the United States, Canada, Latin America and the Commonwealth.
* Seek a reduced/free tariff trade deal with the European Union.
* Apply to join the European Free Trade Agreement (basically the same benefits as EU membership minus participation in EU lawmaking.)
* Irish reunification referendum (effectively eliminating the EU backstop issue with our current UK/EU trade deal.)
* Apply to rejoin the EU.
Oh shut the fuck up with this already, Jesus Christ
The majority wanted Brexit. You need to get over it.
Tens of thousands out of the 80 or so million of people in the UK? My gosh, truly an earth shattering amount that requires an article on it.
lol, more Independent editorialising. They’ll never accept that their side lost the argument and the vote, will they?
“Tens of thousands” is not a pressure group that matters on a national issue.
He should do it, he won’t, because he’s another disaster capitalist wet dream, and a dick.