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Yes and every other Canadian despite claims from roblaws
Anyone who has a problem with this needs to understand that prices are not gonna go down to 2017 levels. This is it. Wages have to go up for people to survive in this economy, there is no choice.
Does anyone know what a full pay package for a postal worker is? The article only says that they’re struggling, but didn’t mention anything else.
I hope this is sorted soon, for the sake of the workers and customers.
Also, why would one side favour government intervention?
Let’s be honest here, the fact that Canada Post still operates is a miracle. I just don’t know how much meat there is left on this carcass.
Coming soon: Canada Post plus. For just 9.99+tax you get unlimited mail deliveries (big asterisk) and 10% discount at your local CP outlet (swag and stamps)
New hires are still getting defined benefit pensions? Wow, that surprised me. I thought most companies had deemed those unaffordable and negotiated those down to grandfathered for old employees and put new hires on defined contribution.
No one can. Minimum wage must go up 10 dollars to make a difference
Neither can I, neither can I…
Anyone having an issue with this, should NOT be mad at the workers using collective bargaining to improve their working conditions and wages.
Everyone is having a tough time surviving in the current economy that’s been bungled up for the last 10 years. The cause is very obviously the esteemed leader who declared he doesn’t worry about the economy.
It might finally (or likely not) be a call to match wages to inflation. Because, people are absolutely starving with the way things are going.
Next it will be teachers, then first responders, then nurses
Wages have to go up or this all comes crashing down
Tried working for Vancouver CP in 2020/2021. The pay was around $21 or $22.per hour, and the work itself was absolutely horrific as a new hire: after a week of classroom training that did not prepare us for the reality of the mail-carrier job whatsoever, some of us initially had to do warehouse work wherein we operated dangerous pallet jacks with no PPE or experience. When mail delivery opportunities finally arose (on-call only), as newbies we were bottom of the totem pole and had to sub for the worst, most difficult, most treacherous routes in that area–it was not unheard of to spend 12 hour workdays in total to complete everything.
Why? Because they had apparently decided the carriers had to do all the tasks by that point (after another strike, I believe…?), including every preparatory warehouse task, and so our mornings were spent sorting mail to hundreds of addresses, organizing fliers, bundling all of this, hauling it to the parking lot, scanning, sorting, and then loading countless Amazon packages and deliveries and parcels into our vans–as it was around Covid and Xmastime, you can imagine how many there were. This was all before a very difficult delivery day.
Long-term employees had it down to a science, but the new hires? No way. Sometimes we wouldn’t get to actual delivery for many hours, and this was at a 7:30 or 8:00 am start time. For $21 an hour?!
There was zero incentive for new hires to stay on under these conditions, and everyone in my training class dropped out within the first couple of months, including myself. I was also told that the maximum any carrier could make was $25/hr, no matter how long they’d been there, and the turnover rate at CP was around 60%.
Terrible,.exploitative working conditions that were wrapped in so much bureaucracy and red tape. The system was damaged and everyone knew it.
None of us can survive on current wages. It’s by FUCKING DESIGN!!!
Canada Post workers need better working conditions. But also Canada Post needs a major overhaul in how it operates bc this “service” is extremely over priced.
Should they get an increase? Absolutely. Should we also stop doing literally door to door deliveries? Also yes.
Increase wages, deliver to community mailboxes and cut staff. Net net probably comes to a slight increase versus now but everyone is better off
The wages weren’t great 10 years ago and they definitely haven’t been keeping up with inflation.
Canada Post is hemorrhaging money.
Apparentl, one of the sticking points is that new hires want exactly the same benefit package that was available to people 20 years ago when economic times were much better, especially for Canada Post. It’s fairly common across a variety of sectors to have older employees grandfathered under better benefit packages than new hires.
I have a feeling the way things are going, Canada Post is going to be a lot of people working for minimum wage before very long.
The pension and benefits are ok. But the truth is the wear and tear on the body of 25000 steps plus a day with weight in all weather conditions puts a strain on most. It isn’t a cushy government job as often described. The walks or routes aren’t equal and some are so long they can’t be finished in 8 hours but yet they feel a need to make them longer and pay less.
Neither can the rest of us
Nobody in Canada can survive on current wages. And last I heard Canada post workers get paid quite well for dropping letters in a box.
My friend been at CP for 24 years.. Entry level plant workers makes about $22 an hour but rises pretty quick..You probably max out at about $29 an hour after about 20 years. The real money is overtime where he can make close to $90,000 if your willing to put in the hours. The benefits are good but the job is very robotic and lots of politics trying to move up.
I use to work for Canada Post around 2014. It started at $19/hr. The work is physically exhausting, especially on routes like Dufferin and St. Clair. I work in my field making more than double that, and the work is not nearly as difficult.
If that is true then services workers such as housekeepers, porters and aides in hospitals can’t survive either. They aren’t allowed to strike.
Depending on years of service mail handlers start at 22/ hour and top out at 29/ hour. Salaries are in the collective agreement. Letter carriers get 28-30/ hour.
Yeah them and 98% of Canadians.
let’s be honest mail delivery is a dying industry and is unskilled labour, also canada post has lost money every year since 2018
CBC was reporting canada post offered 12% over 4 years and CUPW countered with 24% over 4 years and hiring more full time positions
the union is fighting the good fight for higher wages, but they’re delusional if they think 24% is “reasonable and fair” like they keep saying in press conferences
The federal and provincial governments should just change the Employment Standards Acts (provincial) and Canada Labor Code(federal) to introduce a minimum annual wage increase that is tied to more comprehensive StatsCan inflation data. This way workers won’t lose purchasing power every year if they fail to negotiate a pay increase matching inflation.
In other words, they won’t take pay cuts every year in real dollars terms.
It’s like the minimum wage we have now, but it ensures that the wages workers agree to be paid when they’re hired will actually keep up with inflation.
Oh, and set minimum wage to a minimum livable wage and apply an annual minimum wage increase to minimum wage that is pegged to inflation.
This isn’t a canada post problem this is an all Canadians problem caused by the libs incompetence and corruption.
Most people are in the same situation. Are we really going to drag out another negotiation ?
PSA: You can help them work more efficiently. Call Canada Post and ask them to stop delivering flyers in your mail. 90% of my mail was useless flyers. Now I get 1-2 letters a week. If we all did that imagine how much time and capacity would be saved.
Problem is Canada Post these days are losing money,, so how can they give out more if they are losing,, this is your inflaltion,,, but yes I agree with the last next Teachers than nurses.. INflation , inflation inflate I feel you everyone else not unionized making minimum wage.
Until Canada gets some proper governance and gets the Canadian dollar out of the sewer at C$0.70 or as it costs $1.41 to buy a US$. Virtually everything Canadians consume is imported and priced in US$. This Trudeau government has turned Canada into a service nation.
Tax the billionaires, bring wages up. Protect workers with unions
Pretty wild to see Canada post lost 500$M and not even pay workers both entry and executive living wages. It’s an essential service and should not be expected to make a profit, justifying the losses it gets servicing so many rural communities. I don’t know why there controversy over its profitability, when it has to serve the worlds second largest and sparely populated country in all of its far reaches and corners. Let it be a loss leader, and pay its workers a living wage. Simple as that. We waste far far more money on other less essential things.
intelcom and dragonfly will deliver your package, take a photo and immediately update you via email when delivered.
they’re awesome!
As a current employee I’m physically exhausted doing 10hr days 5 days a week exceeding 30k steps daily which most are going up and down stairs. This company has like 10 VPs all making over 300k a year is absolutely disturbing
The entire working sector needs a 20% raise to at least keep up with inflation. And I don’t think that’s a giant ask either. I started my industrial career in pulp mills, which at the time started at $29 an hour. Long hours and overtime easily brought you over the 100k mark but with stagnant 2% raises YOY and sometimes no raises at all and having the union saying that we’re lucky to even have jobs and to quit fighting so hard.
What was once a great place to have a career is slowly not worth the damage to your health due to the nature of shift work and constantly being exposed to chemicals.
For the record, I’m not discounting 100k+ salaries, but it seems like 100k just gets one by nowadays where it used to feel like life’s giant win to be at the 100k mark.
Well over 60% of Canadian can’t survive on their current wages and is one pay cheque away from not being able to afford rent or food.
Neither can Canadians as a whole. Tell this to provincial and fed govt who keep hiking taxes, and allowing their corrupt corporate masters to get away with greed price hikes.
As others have mentioned, I think the issue is they come out and say hey look the hourly wage is already good at $31.87.
And the public goes yeah that is good 31.87 x 37.5 hour week is 62k ish a year. Plus benefits that’s not bad.
HOWEVER that s not the real picture we are seeing across the public sector from colleges, universities, educational workers, to health care workers etc…
They are employing a super high percentage of part time hourly staff to suppress wages.
So in reality people are getting 24 hours max with limited PTO and benefits.
So that 62k ish job for a very high percentage of of their work force is part time and only making 30k ish a year.
Some places have the 90% part time 10% full time.
In a union…. that should not be allowed especially for a union shop. The unions need to grow a spine.
This had been working in the past as people waited in line for the the few full time positions.
But has become untenable as the 30k is far too below the poverty line now and you can only live in debt for so long before something breaks.
So with the future looking bleak and those full time positions being canceled the line out of poverty has grow longer and the amount of debt is piling on.
A lot of postal workers are yearly contracts.
I grew up with a friend whose mother delivered mail in the rural areas. It was a yearly contract they weren’t guaranteed to get. She also had to use her own vehicle for the deliveries.
Should say, Canadians can’t survive on current wages. Just saying
I keep hearing the point from anti-Canada post people, “but they lost $400m this year!”
Yeah, public services do that. The ministry of health doesn’t go, “we made so much on these sick f*cks!”
So yeah, they lose money servicing unprofitable routes that private industry won’t.
They don’t even walk anymore, community mailboxes, drop off mail for 5 mins and leave, all I get from Canada post is bills, could get them online..all my orders come from courier, I pick up big items, and I don’t write letters to my grandparents through postal…no need for em, been this way for years
How do you know it’s Christmas time?
Canada post is threatening to strike.
Welcome to Canada. Most workers can’t survive with one job salary. So what is the big news there?
How are these union workers and only getting $22 per hour? That’s about $47K per year
You cant survive in any major city in Canada on that. For me, this is a failure of the union to have such crappy pay.