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    Selenskyj legt den Abgeordneten den Siegesplan vor: Beitritt zur NATO und Erlaubnis für Kiew, russisches Territorium anzugreifen


    Selenskyj legt den Abgeordneten den Siegesplan vor: Beitritt zur NATO und Erlaubnis für Kiew, russisches Territorium anzugreifen

    https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2024/10/16/volodymyr-zelensky-presents-victory-plan-to-members-of-ukrainian-parliament-en-news

    Von duckanroll

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    2. Mizukami2738 on

      I wish the west would step in and follow along this plan, unfortunately I doubt US will entertain much of this, especially when Ukraine is not Israel.

    3. concerned-potato on

      NATO will demonstrate weakness by rejecting it.

      Once NATO rejects it, this will mean that there is no alternatives to nukes.

    4. rickz123456 on

      Don´t look like a possible plan right now

      I was expecting something more… Copmplex?

    5. MirTrudMay on

      To the last Ukrainian, no peace until 1991 borders. Putler cant win!

      I call on all posters of this sub to join the international legion, Russian army is running out of missiles, food and even guns with reports they are using shovels and starving north koreans. Of course the US could negotiate with the Taliban and even Israel had discussions with Hamas but any negotiation with Putler is appeasment, all of this sub follow me to the frontlines!

    6. Nerevarcheg on

      It’s not a plan, it’s a piece of shit. Their real plan is to through people into meatgrinder to secure “investments” of their owners. People here aren’t going to let this happen anymore. “West” can go to hell. And eat all the deserved repercussions of their vile, fucked up policy based on lies and abuse.

    7. bigbrain200iq on

      Victory plan ? More like begging plan .

      This is the most delusional zelensky has ever been . I wonder if he is doing it on purpose to then tell Ukrainians that it was not his fault , the west betrayed them yadadayada

    9. Timauris on

      If I understood right, not NATO membership, but just the mere invitation and beginning the acession process might do the trick. Ukraine “neutrality” would be off the table during potential negotiations.

    10. AMeasuredBerserker on

      How this is supposed to seriously bring about battlefield reversals, I’m not sure.

      Deep strikes will help sure, but it really feels the war has moved past that now as Russia makes steady, incremental gains.

      And bringing up NATO again genuinely makes me angry. This has been talked and talked over and I dont see how what has already been given, doesn’t meet his needs or how it helps Ukraine stop losing on the battlefield.

      Feels like its becoming a deflection tactic.

    11. Leading_Stick_5918 on

      I say we just wing it at nuke Russia and hope for the best. I’m sick of this society anyway.

    14. Kreol1q1q on

      Seems like a way for him to cover for a possible defeat – “look, see there, I had a plan, the others just didn’t follow through!”.

      Not that I blame him mind you, any kind of peace settlement that doesn’t include territorial reintegration of the Donbass will be politically suicidal, yet something like that seems to be increasingly in the cards.

    15. Lapkonium on

      He’s a smart guy.

      1. Hype up the peace plan that genuinely could turn the war around, don’t disclose the details
      2. Reveal the details, the allies refuse to accept it – creating betrayal optics
      3. Claim that there is no choice left but to enter peace negotiations with territorial compromise on the table
      4. In Ukrainian and the world’s eyes the allies take most of the blame

      Edit:

      Or alternatively:

      3. Settle for one or two points of the plan after negotiating with the allies

      4. Claim it as awesome win on the diplomatic front

      Optics wise, there is no losing scenario.

    16. dzelectron on

      Judging by the number of fresh accounts ridiculing the peace plan – russia reeeally doesn’t like it. Now we shall see how western leaders will react to it.

    17. Sunscratch on

      For me, it sounds like wish list for Santa Claus. Some points of this proposal have been denied before by NATO members, and there is no reason to talk about them again. As Ukrainian I would like to see something realistic…

    18. vikentii_krapka on

      I’m Ukrainian and I’m disappointed to be honest. No plan for own long range rocketry? No plan for nuclear program? No army reform plan? The plan is basically “give us so many weapons that russia surrenders and we will give you resources and manpower after the war”. Sure, I think Biden and Scholz are convinced now s

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