> But if you hand over your unlocked phone to a police officer and offer to show them something, “it becomes this complicated factual question about what consent you’ve granted for a search and what the limits of that are,”
Anyway this link was about the U.S. but maybe it’s something to keep in mind still. It’s not like having a digital ID or passport is bad on its own and it could simplify some processes.
EyyyyyyMacarena on
No thanks.
PozitronCZ on
I hate the smartphone dependency the companies (and government too) are forcing us into. I hope this will only be an alternative to normal paper documents.
iliveinberlin on
Smartphone? The last time I entered the US the only thing they did was scan my face. No one will need anything
mudokin on
That’s also an easy way to get you to unlock your phone giving them access to it.
Law anforcement can’t force you to unlock your pin secured phone, but when you have to unlock it for ID you just given them an unlocked phone.
So time to get 2 phones, one that it’s you wallet with Banking, ID, Tickets. And one for the rest.
Booking_Reference on
Right at the same time they are banning encryption, they also need your ID tied to your phone.
Literally 1984
DreamingInfraviolet on
That’s great! We already have a similar system in Sweden called BankID, more things should be made digital.
Temporary-Guidance20 on
it means they will secure outside borders of the EU, right?
dustofdeath on
How about you start by preventing people without documents entering first? And then worry about document checking efficiency.
sangwinik on
ngl it took Ukraine like 2 years to implement passport and tons of other documents on a smartphone and it works great. Not sure what they are planning to do for 6 years
FearlessCut1 on
Lmao. Can’t even control your borders. So it’s gonna take 5 years to develop and even then they won’t be able to do it.
jonnieggg on
Ah wonderful the technocratic surveillance future has finally arrived.
NoRecipe3350 on
This is both amazing and horrifying in equal measure. I’d say it’s more horrifying because of data access/stealing implications, but I’d also argue a halfway compromise is voluntarily being able to give an e-copy of your passport is held by the government, if you lose your passport abroad you can go to the embassy and get a replacement very quickly.
The UK (not EU so wouldn’t be covered) still is not able to issue a national ID card for it’s citizens, because essentially many people distrust the State. Maybe it’s just an inherently British thing but many of us don’t really see the State as being on our side or acting in our best interests. (So we have stupid things like needing a gas bill to prove we live somewhere.)
I myself feel this way after seeing for example people getting sent to jail for saying bad things on facebook and X during the recent riots. But I still see the need for national ID card to tackle crime and illegal migration. So it’s tough.
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I heard people from all around the world enter EU without any documents, this doesn’t seem that futuristic tbh
Awh hellllll no
[Don’t ever hand your phone to the cops](https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/24/24252235/police-unlock-phone-password-face-id-apple-wallet-id)
> But if you hand over your unlocked phone to a police officer and offer to show them something, “it becomes this complicated factual question about what consent you’ve granted for a search and what the limits of that are,”
Anyway this link was about the U.S. but maybe it’s something to keep in mind still. It’s not like having a digital ID or passport is bad on its own and it could simplify some processes.
No thanks.
I hate the smartphone dependency the companies (and government too) are forcing us into. I hope this will only be an alternative to normal paper documents.
Smartphone? The last time I entered the US the only thing they did was scan my face. No one will need anything
That’s also an easy way to get you to unlock your phone giving them access to it.
Law anforcement can’t force you to unlock your pin secured phone, but when you have to unlock it for ID you just given them an unlocked phone.
So time to get 2 phones, one that it’s you wallet with Banking, ID, Tickets. And one for the rest.
Right at the same time they are banning encryption, they also need your ID tied to your phone.
Literally 1984
That’s great! We already have a similar system in Sweden called BankID, more things should be made digital.
it means they will secure outside borders of the EU, right?
How about you start by preventing people without documents entering first? And then worry about document checking efficiency.
ngl it took Ukraine like 2 years to implement passport and tons of other documents on a smartphone and it works great. Not sure what they are planning to do for 6 years
Lmao. Can’t even control your borders. So it’s gonna take 5 years to develop and even then they won’t be able to do it.
Ah wonderful the technocratic surveillance future has finally arrived.
This is both amazing and horrifying in equal measure. I’d say it’s more horrifying because of data access/stealing implications, but I’d also argue a halfway compromise is voluntarily being able to give an e-copy of your passport is held by the government, if you lose your passport abroad you can go to the embassy and get a replacement very quickly.
The UK (not EU so wouldn’t be covered) still is not able to issue a national ID card for it’s citizens, because essentially many people distrust the State. Maybe it’s just an inherently British thing but many of us don’t really see the State as being on our side or acting in our best interests. (So we have stupid things like needing a gas bill to prove we live somewhere.)
I myself feel this way after seeing for example people getting sent to jail for saying bad things on facebook and X during the recent riots. But I still see the need for national ID card to tackle crime and illegal migration. So it’s tough.