>The Culture Ministry is currently preparing to introduce a standard contract for choreographers, ensuring they are compensated similarly to musicians and receiving royalties whenever their work is used, according to Culture Minister Yu In-chon during the audit Monday.
TofuSlurper on
Mike Song and his crew members from the Kinjaz, all incredibly established and decorated competitive dancers and choreographers who have done work in kpop for over a decade for some of the biggest names, does give quite a bit of insight in regards to how they’re compensated. Below, I’ve linked the interview timestamped. It’s really interesting and worth the watch.
Glad to see this but confused about how they plan to implement it. Its so much easier to copy a move sequence with a very minor change so dont need to give credit vs a chord progression and those already have a lot of issues…
Weekly-Dog228 on
I’m going to copyright the “spin”.
If you rotate on one foot, you will owe me $1.
I’m going to be a trillionaire.
iluvboththejeon on
How can they claim copyright over choreography they didn’t even create, especially when much of it is rooted in Black culture?
Least_Sugar_5879 on
What the hell that’s insane so many kpop moves aren’t even original and come from the west specifally black Americans
NCTYLAB on
How will this be implemented? All human bodies are capable of a certain limit of movements and rotations. This reminds me of the case of the actor[ Alfonso Ribeiro ](https://www.kotaku.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/18/npyrbw3gaopngob3bd6a.gif?quality=75&w=640&h=360&crop=1)who tried to sue Fortnite because, according to him, they were plagiarizing his dance. The conclusion of the court was that anyone could naturally perform the movement that he claimed was his and Fortnite did not have to pay anything for it.
This law will probably be based on a large part of the choreography being similar to another because if they start patenting movements and limiting which movements can be done, there will no longer be choreographies in Kpop.
Imagine if some Korean choreographer decides to claim that Voguing is his work and that people should pay for it, we all know that Voguing was not created in Korea and all the movements applied in the choreographies of kpop artists already existed before because Voguing is a certain pattern of movements they should follow for it to be considered Voguing 🤣🤣🤣 are they gonna pay for the real creator?
mokolad on
i feel like people didn’t read or understand what this is about. nowadays choreographers get paid a certain amount for their draft and that’s it (back in the day they were actually lucky if they got paid, so that’s an improvement). obviously it concerns full choreographies or sequences (probably meaning the parts that go viral on social media/challenges), so that choreographers will get additional payment when their choreos are performed, covered or used in any way as part of other performances. no one’s copyrighting a butt shake or pointing to the sky, please, people.
FallPhoenix18 on
Parts of this are really great – choreographers getting better pay, royalties, more protections as workers – but all I can think about is how major companies are the only ones going to benefit from this. A bigger fandom and more company finances are essentially going to decide who can fight any copyright claims or bring them against others.
BaphometALIVE on
the Michael Jackson estate getting ready to count their money
oliviafairy on
As a person with music background, I want to hear what choreographers think about this.
Nochuki on
so black artists will be compensated as well? since most korean choreographers “steal” their moves
Sagzmir on
Black artists, lawyer up, and quickly.
J0c381310 on
I mean this could affect kpop being so limited and there being no creative freedom. I’ve seen hundreds of steps repeated in kpop but there will always be a step where it makes a difference.
Werefie on
this is weird to me, i guess they could copyright a sequence of moves but moved used in kpop choreographies are all very common from hip-hop or other genres of dance that these people haven’t created
Misty-url on
I am a bit worried about the implementation of this because I don’t believe that specific dance moves or sequences should be copyrighted. How will they prevent theft from marginalized communities especially for certain dance styles like voguing, breaking or whacking where there are certain key elements and sequences that every piece features. The only way that I can see that this is successfully implemented in a non harmful way is if only a whole piece could be copyrighted and the choreographer would receive royalties from covers or reproductions.
ImpactMaleficent5374 on
So JYP, SM, and YG agreed but not hybe who is probably the whole reason this is even happening?
Cherry_Bomb_127 on
I just hope this is implemented correctly. Also how many moves should there be in a sequence for copyright be able to happen?
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>The Culture Ministry is currently preparing to introduce a standard contract for choreographers, ensuring they are compensated similarly to musicians and receiving royalties whenever their work is used, according to Culture Minister Yu In-chon during the audit Monday.
Mike Song and his crew members from the Kinjaz, all incredibly established and decorated competitive dancers and choreographers who have done work in kpop for over a decade for some of the biggest names, does give quite a bit of insight in regards to how they’re compensated. Below, I’ve linked the interview timestamped. It’s really interesting and worth the watch.
https://youtu.be/LQ4uP3Aykbg?t=2150&si=qOviTPU3GuMTGXRt
Glad to see this but confused about how they plan to implement it. Its so much easier to copy a move sequence with a very minor change so dont need to give credit vs a chord progression and those already have a lot of issues…
I’m going to copyright the “spin”.
If you rotate on one foot, you will owe me $1.
I’m going to be a trillionaire.
How can they claim copyright over choreography they didn’t even create, especially when much of it is rooted in Black culture?
What the hell that’s insane so many kpop moves aren’t even original and come from the west specifally black Americans
How will this be implemented? All human bodies are capable of a certain limit of movements and rotations. This reminds me of the case of the actor[ Alfonso Ribeiro ](https://www.kotaku.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/18/npyrbw3gaopngob3bd6a.gif?quality=75&w=640&h=360&crop=1)who tried to sue Fortnite because, according to him, they were plagiarizing his dance. The conclusion of the court was that anyone could naturally perform the movement that he claimed was his and Fortnite did not have to pay anything for it.
This law will probably be based on a large part of the choreography being similar to another because if they start patenting movements and limiting which movements can be done, there will no longer be choreographies in Kpop.
Imagine if some Korean choreographer decides to claim that Voguing is his work and that people should pay for it, we all know that Voguing was not created in Korea and all the movements applied in the choreographies of kpop artists already existed before because Voguing is a certain pattern of movements they should follow for it to be considered Voguing 🤣🤣🤣 are they gonna pay for the real creator?
i feel like people didn’t read or understand what this is about. nowadays choreographers get paid a certain amount for their draft and that’s it (back in the day they were actually lucky if they got paid, so that’s an improvement). obviously it concerns full choreographies or sequences (probably meaning the parts that go viral on social media/challenges), so that choreographers will get additional payment when their choreos are performed, covered or used in any way as part of other performances. no one’s copyrighting a butt shake or pointing to the sky, please, people.
Parts of this are really great – choreographers getting better pay, royalties, more protections as workers – but all I can think about is how major companies are the only ones going to benefit from this. A bigger fandom and more company finances are essentially going to decide who can fight any copyright claims or bring them against others.
the Michael Jackson estate getting ready to count their money
As a person with music background, I want to hear what choreographers think about this.
so black artists will be compensated as well? since most korean choreographers “steal” their moves
Black artists, lawyer up, and quickly.
I mean this could affect kpop being so limited and there being no creative freedom. I’ve seen hundreds of steps repeated in kpop but there will always be a step where it makes a difference.
this is weird to me, i guess they could copyright a sequence of moves but moved used in kpop choreographies are all very common from hip-hop or other genres of dance that these people haven’t created
I am a bit worried about the implementation of this because I don’t believe that specific dance moves or sequences should be copyrighted. How will they prevent theft from marginalized communities especially for certain dance styles like voguing, breaking or whacking where there are certain key elements and sequences that every piece features. The only way that I can see that this is successfully implemented in a non harmful way is if only a whole piece could be copyrighted and the choreographer would receive royalties from covers or reproductions.
So JYP, SM, and YG agreed but not hybe who is probably the whole reason this is even happening?
I just hope this is implemented correctly. Also how many moves should there be in a sequence for copyright be able to happen?