„Es ist allgemein bekannt, dass Lehrer über ihren Glauben lügen“: Ist Religion ein Hindernis für die Anstellung als Grundschullehrer?
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/education/2024/10/08/its-common-knowledge-teachers-lie-about-their-faith-is-religion-a-barrier-to-getting-a-job-as-a-primary-teacher/
Von Halycon365
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Have a family member that had a temp. teaching job in a school where a permanent position was coming up.
Started going to mass in that local parish every Sunday, helped out with a Sunday school, volunteered to help with the communion and confirmation classes that year.
Got the job.
Does none of those things I mentioned anymore!
I know there is a paywall, but it’s a good article. Young teachers have to lie in an interview if they are atheist but seeking a job in the 88% of primary schools that are still religious. Given the shortage, how long before the lack of teachers’ forces this to change?
Yet another reason to centralise the recruitment of teachers, perhaps at county or provincial level. Also, the fact the taxpayer is paying the salary. There is a lack of political will to touch the board of management structures that often have priests on them.
Even with this forced indoctrination of children church attendance is dwindling. How sad for them.
If the Church wants to set the job requirements they should be paying the salary, simple as that.
Should a school be allowed to even ask this question?
It kills me that the catholic church still has a stranglehold on education in this country, and power and influence in politics out of all proportion to its support in the general population.
I don’t understand why every school has to have a religious (usually catholic) “ethos”. National schools should be secular, and parents that want to raise their children religious can do that on their own time, with the help of the local church. Schools should be for education, not indoctrination.
I was told when training to be a teacher to lie about my faith if my class ever asked me. They said because if I told them I didn’t believe in God, that I’d be acting against school ethos and could be fired.
That was the day I decided to teach in anywhere but a Catholic school, I wasn’t going to indoctrinate kids into something I don’t believe, and when it comes to the insutute of the Catholic Church, actively condemn for their past history of laundries and abuse.
I don’t think anyone is forced to go to a school with a catholic ethos
Its heartwarming how much the corrupt Church is losing its foothold here. Even the bullshit hold over schools they have isn’t enough to turn the tide.
Good riddance to bad shit.
At this stage, should the Catholic Church be anywhere near a school?
Over 90% of the primary schools are religious schools… of course its a barrier. Religion has no place in schools that receive public funding.
They need to be Out of our schools. Completely. If people want to prepare their children for religious events they should be at weekends or after hours.
We all encourage this shite by baptising our kids for the nice day out, which the church can then use to justify its position in society.
I failed at the “okay who the current Pope then?” stage.
Teachers are still forced to attend staff day church services and religious events… and to pretend they are straight if they are not.
Absolutely mental that religion should have anything to do with education in 2024.
We’re trying to teach children to understand the world, not to have blind faith in an ancient religion that contradicts many modern scientific and cultural norms
Get.. the churches.. out of our schools.
No religious worker should be left unattended with any Irish child, and every penny that passes through a churches pockets should be taxed fully as a commercial enterprise.. they should have to pay like all the other cults….
It’s worth looking at the Education Equality Ireland Instagram page. It explains the issues really clearly with real examples from teachers and parents.
One thing that has really surprised me is that it seems that the level of Catholicism in schools seems to have increased significantly since I was in school. There is a defined curriculum called ‘Grow in Love’ with 30 minutes a day dedicated to it all about how to be a Catholic. I think most of us would agree that time could be much better spent on core education and not on teaching 5 year olds about how Jesus died on the cross.
Also worth noting that most teachers now require a certificate in religious education in addition to their regular qualifications. It seems the Catholic church is a lot more embedded into schools than we are led to believe.
Religion is a barrier, and so is language. If you are an immigrant who is a qualified teacher, but who doesn’t know Irish, you have to go do a third level qualification in Irish and pass your exams in it to be eligible to become a mainstream classroom primary teacher here. This is a barrier to entry for anyone who isn’t already somewhat fluent. It could easily be overcome by adopting a system where each primary school has a fully fluent Irish language teacher who circulates between the classes to teach Irish, and remove the requirement for the mainstream class teachers to pass as fluent, many of whom are not anyway.