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    Die Automobilindustrie warnt, da der Verkauf von Elektroautos ins Stocken gerät


    Die Automobilindustrie warnt, da der Verkauf von Elektroautos ins Stocken gerät

    https://news.sky.com/story/car-industry-sounds-warning-as-electric-car-sales-stall-13227044

    Von sjw_7

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    27 Comments

    1. Voodoopulse on

      They’re so expensive, I’d never save enough with fuel costs to justify one

    2. davus_maximus on

      Stop pricing your cars over £32,000 and we’ll talk. I thought EVs were simpler to build with simple powertrains? If so why are they 10x what I can afford?

    3. Correct_Basket_2020 on

      Too expensive for most still, also difficult to navigate home charging if you’re in a flat

    4. WerewolfNo890 on

      I have no sympathy for the car industry. Sounds like their problem not mine.

    5. pburgess22 on

      So in 2021 I bought my electric car and after the government grant(which no longer exists) and my deposit etc ot cost 300 a month with PCP. I’m looking at getting another car next year and the prices are wayyy higher for the same car to the point it’s not affordable.

    6. Dadavester on

      People want EV’s. They do not want them at current full prices.

    7. viotski on

      I live in a flat so there’s no fucking way I can charge my car. In order to get to the charging station I’d have to cross two roads – one of being the main road, which is 10 minutes walk. Fuck that, for me having a car is convenience not need, and that’s the opposite

    8. Electronic-Sky-3741 on

      We paid £54k for a new Ionic 5. Good vehicle but that’s expensive. Currently have a single 7kw charger, pumping out 21 miles range per hour at 4p/kw overnight. If we had a 2nd EV, I’d need to upgrade to a 3-phase house supply for the 2nd or even 3rd charger; which means digging up the nice new driveway/block paving…

      If this wasn’t a business purchase, I would not buy one.

      Car manufacturers can take the £15k fine..

      They need to drop the prices to reasonable prices (£20k)

    10. GeneralDan29 on

      Just as Clarkson said in the final Grand Tour episode.

      “Electric cars are just shit”

    11. kahnindustries on

      Everyone is poor, what do they expect to happen?

      Also the second hand EV market is barely getting rolling

    12. PretendThisIsAName on

      EVs are here to save the car industry not the biosphere. 

      Electric buses are probably the way forward but we desperately need to improve the dire state of public transport outside of London first. 

      On paper buses are brilliant, it’s a shame they’re ruined by traffic and corporate greed.

    13. Healey_Dell on

      Infrastructure and of course, price. The lack of the first is helping keep the second high as the economy can’t scale.

      In dense UK terraced neighbourhoods charging will be an issue unless 1 fast charging becomes available or 2 we start installing plugs in every fifth kerbstone.

    14. the_man_inTheShack on

      old school car companies:
      make crap electric cars
      put them on sale at ludicrous prices
      complain that they are not selling and you need government “help”

    15. tempor12345 on

      “While there was a record 56,362 battery electric models sold… [last year]”

      How is that stalling as per the headline? That’s literally a record number, according to their own data. 😂

    16. R-M-Pitt on

      Prices are high and choice is low. European companies have not innovated or provided much variety, and now the eu wants to restrict chinese companies who have.

    17. Happytallperson on

      It’s embarrassing to be on 20% when China is on 40% new sales. 

      As a new EV owner my thoughts.

      1. We’re really kicking the support out. No longer a tax advantage, no longer grants to support charger install, no longer purchase grants. 

      2. As well as lack of carrots we have a lack of sticks. Car companies are still advertising wildly inefficient SUVs with fossil only power – why? This isn’t an affordability thing, these SUVs are more than my EV. 

      3. Culturally we’ve let charlatans run the media narrative. If people see you have an EV there are two responses;

      – fellow EV owners who will nerd out at you 🤓 
      – a man dressed like Jeremy Clarkson will tell you a horror story about their mums third cousin’s dog walker who ran out of power on the M62. 

      Fundamentally, I’ve been using EVs at work for years and can absolutely assure you they are nicer cars. They are just better to drive. Other countries manage nearly 100% EV sales so anyone telling you they are impractical is misinforming you. Yet we let the oil industry run our narratives.

    18. TorchKing101 on

      2nd hand prices are much more affordable now. We got a Leaf because 70% of the solar power we generated went to the grid. We will upgrade to a longer range vehicle soon, level 2 charger and then wait for the solid state batteries to come through.

    19. softwarebuyer2015 on

      Ford were on the radio this morning begging to government to help them sell EVs.

    20. Low-Educator6026 on

      I paid £18k for a long range leaf. 2 years old and thought this is a good price. Well 18 months later it’s worth £10k.

      Is it a good car? Yeah it’s ok. Do I like it? Yeah it’s ok.

      Would I buy another? Not a chance until the market stabilises. My rough negative equity on this car is about £4K from what I expected it to be worth.

      I’ve also got a German saloon. My negative equity on that is £0 because they are predictable and don’t depreciate like used toilet paper.

    21. beeblbrox on

      A lot of talk about average car being £35k. Me and my partner both work full time and have a mortgage if I had to go out and buy a car tomorrow I’d be looking at £10k tops. Admittedly I had to renew my mortgage right in the midst of the Lizz Truss saga but I just have no money left over at the end of a month to justify financing a car. I imagine I’m not the only one in this boat.

    22. New-Range-1087 on

      A friend of mine bought a VW electric car. Something went wrong with it within 6 months, the repairs were covered under the warranty but it took 3 weeks for them to be done. In the second year, more faults, this time not covered and the costs were in the thousands. He’s tried to sell it but it’s lost 50% of its value already. He’s now bought a cheap petrol car and the EV sits in a garage.

    23. aembleton on

      £15k fine per car should focus minds. Not that difficult, add £15k to all ICE cars until you reach the 22% requirement. It’ll be even higher next year.

    24. barrio-libre on

      The anti-EV propaganda is raging out there. The telegraph alone publishes a few hate pieces against EV’s *every day*. Most of it is utter nonsense, but it filters into the body politic. I’m not surprised people repeat these canards as if they were truth.

    25. Lo_jak on

      They have far too many restrictions that come with them….. if you don’t have a driveway or garage you’re a bit fucked when it comes to charging them.

      They are really fucking expensive for anything half decent, I can see them becoming more and more expensive to insure due to them being next to impossible to put out if they catch fire, and they are mostly ugly with giant tablets in the middle.

      Il stick to my ICE car for as long as I can thanks.

    27. Ancient-Watch-1191 on

      Last month, VW had enough profits to fork out 5 Billion Euro as dividends. It seems to me that EU companies are profitable enough to pay out significant dividends, but not to develop affordable BEV’s.

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