It helps me type faster but thats about it. Most of my time Im blocked on people reviewing my stuff. It might make typing less tedious, but it doesnt matter all that much.
DizzySkunkApe on
Why would one even attempt to measure burnout over 3 months?
deadisnowhere on
AI assistants are shrouded in smoke, making their value unclear.
For simple, repetitive, and common tasks, the tool should automatically handle these parts of the code, but for trickier, more complex requirements, most AI tools fail, making them unsuitable for the most stressful parts of software development.
Lucidio on
Does anyone know why people thought it would prevent burnout? Typically, tech that increases efficiency just means more work gets done in the same time frame — not that people could relax more in most environments.
absentmindedjwc on
It absolutely does help quite a bit with throwing code together, but it 100% requires someone skilled on the other end to refactor and clean up jank-ass code.
There is a more junior dev on my team that seems to use ChatGPT for *fucking everything*… he doesn’t realize I know, but recognizing GPT-output code is pretty simple if you’ve seen enough of it. Anyway… instead of taking the output and modifying bits and pieces of it to better fit within the needs of the application.. he just just copy/pastes it in, and if it works even a little bit: ship it. I reject practically 90% of his PRs, with the most recent one commenting essentially “see me after class” because it was so fucking bad.
I even went and asked GPT to solve that problem, and with some back and forth, got a reasonably workable solution that just needed some slight modification on my end.
IMO, AI is decent at getting a sort-of prototype up and running. It gives you a very low-fidelity version of code that might help you sort of get started…. but it is VERY MUCH not production ready… both because the implementation without a ton of back and forth is trash (or even better: personal touch-modifications that make it *truly* fit the application)… but – **and this is important** *-* ChatGPT-generated code is *fucking full* of security issues.
FulanitoDeTal13 on
Of course not… IT’S A GLORIFIED AUTOCOMPLETE TOY
Murkbeard on
As soon as you’re out of education, the bottleneck on programming is not in turning ideas into lines of code.
It’s in understanding the technical and business requirements, and coming up with structures for getting things done that makes solving the immediate need easy, and the inevitable change less painful.
It’s in building a consistent model of the world that lets your code do what it needs to do, and makes communicating about needed changes easy.
It’s in constructing a platform that allows multiple devs with different skillsets and mental models to contribute according to their own strengths, and makes their task of doing the above easy for them.
If you’re a programmer, and you don’t think these are major limitations, I suspect that’s because someone is managing them for you, and you haven’t hit a hard edge yet. May you be able to overcome it when you do. I trust you have built ways of working so you are not stuck the instant your prompt engineering fails.
Edit: To wit, Burnout happens when management does not understand this, and treat programmers like factory workers. Productivity doesn’t increase because AI tooling does not address the bottleneck.
palidorfio on
I can’t use it at work but do use it for my personal projects. It helps a lot during the start of a project but once I’m a few days in I find it very unhelpful.
dylan_1992 on
ChatGPT is great for writing boilerplate, unit tests, util functions.
None of those are the reason for burnout.
CammKelly on
I’m in no way surprised at this.
Whilst on a personal level I’ve used GPT to give me ideas on how to attack a specific coding problem, there is no way in hell I would use code straight copied from GPT, but the allure of doing so would be strong for many.
GrimOfDooom on
these must be really niche study cases; because ai coding definitely boosts productivity because i spend less time on good for my issues
sorospaidmetosaythis on
Totally worth pumping more gigatons of CO2 into the atmosphere, though.
Rizzan8 on
I find ChatGPT to be good only for writing and explaining regexes.
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It helps me type faster but thats about it. Most of my time Im blocked on people reviewing my stuff. It might make typing less tedious, but it doesnt matter all that much.
Why would one even attempt to measure burnout over 3 months?
AI assistants are shrouded in smoke, making their value unclear.
For simple, repetitive, and common tasks, the tool should automatically handle these parts of the code, but for trickier, more complex requirements, most AI tools fail, making them unsuitable for the most stressful parts of software development.
Does anyone know why people thought it would prevent burnout? Typically, tech that increases efficiency just means more work gets done in the same time frame — not that people could relax more in most environments.
It absolutely does help quite a bit with throwing code together, but it 100% requires someone skilled on the other end to refactor and clean up jank-ass code.
There is a more junior dev on my team that seems to use ChatGPT for *fucking everything*… he doesn’t realize I know, but recognizing GPT-output code is pretty simple if you’ve seen enough of it. Anyway… instead of taking the output and modifying bits and pieces of it to better fit within the needs of the application.. he just just copy/pastes it in, and if it works even a little bit: ship it. I reject practically 90% of his PRs, with the most recent one commenting essentially “see me after class” because it was so fucking bad.
I even went and asked GPT to solve that problem, and with some back and forth, got a reasonably workable solution that just needed some slight modification on my end.
IMO, AI is decent at getting a sort-of prototype up and running. It gives you a very low-fidelity version of code that might help you sort of get started…. but it is VERY MUCH not production ready… both because the implementation without a ton of back and forth is trash (or even better: personal touch-modifications that make it *truly* fit the application)… but – **and this is important** *-* ChatGPT-generated code is *fucking full* of security issues.
Of course not… IT’S A GLORIFIED AUTOCOMPLETE TOY
As soon as you’re out of education, the bottleneck on programming is not in turning ideas into lines of code.
It’s in understanding the technical and business requirements, and coming up with structures for getting things done that makes solving the immediate need easy, and the inevitable change less painful.
It’s in building a consistent model of the world that lets your code do what it needs to do, and makes communicating about needed changes easy.
It’s in constructing a platform that allows multiple devs with different skillsets and mental models to contribute according to their own strengths, and makes their task of doing the above easy for them.
If you’re a programmer, and you don’t think these are major limitations, I suspect that’s because someone is managing them for you, and you haven’t hit a hard edge yet. May you be able to overcome it when you do. I trust you have built ways of working so you are not stuck the instant your prompt engineering fails.
Edit: To wit, Burnout happens when management does not understand this, and treat programmers like factory workers. Productivity doesn’t increase because AI tooling does not address the bottleneck.
I can’t use it at work but do use it for my personal projects. It helps a lot during the start of a project but once I’m a few days in I find it very unhelpful.
ChatGPT is great for writing boilerplate, unit tests, util functions.
None of those are the reason for burnout.
I’m in no way surprised at this.
Whilst on a personal level I’ve used GPT to give me ideas on how to attack a specific coding problem, there is no way in hell I would use code straight copied from GPT, but the allure of doing so would be strong for many.
these must be really niche study cases; because ai coding definitely boosts productivity because i spend less time on good for my issues
Totally worth pumping more gigatons of CO2 into the atmosphere, though.
I find ChatGPT to be good only for writing and explaining regexes.