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    Diskussionsthread: Vizepräsidentschaftsdebatte 2024 zwischen Senator JD Vance und Gouverneur Tim Walz, Teil 4 (Thread nach der Debatte)


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    Discussion Thread: 2024 Vice Presidential Debate Between Senator J.D. Vance and Governor Tim Walz, Part 4 (Post-Debate Thread)
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    1. Palifaith on

      I almost forgot that civil debates were a thing without Trump on the podium.

    2. bigtice on

      If you prefer someone well versed in debating, yet avoiding answering the majority of questions while directly claiming to answer said questions whilst continuously tossing in rehearsed anecdotes combined with few factual numbers to support those statements, then Vance won.

      If you prefer someone that knows his important information pertaining to the middle class that he’s dealt with as a Governor, yet not being polished and occasionally stumbling as a result but showing a genuine personality in the midst of those hiccups, then Walz won.

    5. faceintheblue on

      “Did Donald Trump lose the 2020 election?”

      JD Vance refuses to answer, spluttering something about looking to the future not the past.

      “That is a damning non-answer.”

      There you go. To the extent that a VP debate shapes anyone’s decision-making, that’s the 10 seconds that will be repeated for the next month.

    6. Angry-Dragon-1331 on

      So…anyone else notice Vance’s facial expression never changed?

    7. ciongduopppytrllbv on

      TLDW: JD Vance tried to cosplay as a Democrat, but it’s tough to fake it when you keep needing to defend Trump.

    8. ConfederacyOfDunces_ on

      If felt like Walz was talking to me and America.

      It felt like Vance was a corporate lawyer defending Trump

    10. darodardar_Inc on

      EASILY the most important moment of the debate was when Vance was asked directly “did Donald Trump lose the 2020 election?” And vance refused to answer

    11. BukkitCrab on

      I’ll be voting for the candidate that *doesn’t* complain about being fact checked when they get caught telling lies.

    12. JamesIgnatius27 on

      “That was a damning non-answer” was the moment of the night.

    13. Parallel-Quality on

      Vance was doing really well until he refused to admit that January 6 happened.

      The issue with Walz in this debate was that he was too nice. He wasn’t willing to go for the jugular, whereas Vance had no issue lying or misrepresenting his opponent.

    14. Specialist_Mouse_418 on

      Walz won more of the senior vote with his health care talk, and that’s important.

    15. BPtheUnflying on

      Walz had a lot to lose in this debate and he didn’t. I’m proud with what he did

    16. IPA__________Fanatic on

      Way better debate than the first. More substance overall. Vote blue

    17. galaxy_horse on

      Vance not being able to say that Trump lost the 2020 election is THE moment. Damning non-answer indeed. 

    18. _sesamebagel on

      Pretty crazy that Vance claimed to never support a national abortion ban. They really do rely on their voters being the stupidest people alive, huh?

    19. linknewtab on

      > Harris campaign claims that Vance’s answer on January 6, which he claimed was “peaceful” and caused by Facebook ads, scored him his lowest rating of the night amid dial focus group battleground undecideds

    20. Floorguy1 on

      Tim Walz: “we’re pro women, pro choice, pro freedom”

      JD Vance: “I know a woman, she’s watching right now, hello woman”

    21. BrandonTeabagsTrump on

      Chris Hayes: “the level of gaslighting to say Donald Trump saved the ACA ????”

    22. Suitable-Rest-1358 on

      Walzs closing statements: Like the great Roosevelt once said, The Only thing we have to fear is Fear itself.

      JD: we never talked energy somehow. My grandma got cold in Ohio once.

    24. ChrisIsUninteresting on

      > JD Vance is a smooth liar, but a smooth lie is still a lie.

      Joy Reid on MSNBC

    25. burgundybreakfast on

      What many commenters see here as a refreshing civility, I see as a deliberate attempt on Vance’s part to make the Republican Party seem less insane. He clearly amped up the pleasantries to overcompensate for his running mate. It’s all bullshit.

    26. smokey9886 on

      Damn Walz cleaned up on NBC PA undecideds, minus one or two undecideds

    27. AmbitionExtension184 on

      MAGA has no platform. They run on problems but have no solutions.

      Vance is good at spin, I’ll give him that. But I heard 0 answers only problems.

    29. ImprovementSilly2895 on

      Vance is a dangerous man. He’s smart enough to know better, yet he does what he does.

    30. MattTheSmithers on

      One thing that I took away from this debate — Vance seems to like and respect Tim Walz. The same Vance who seems to, on a personal level, despise Donald Trump.

      What this tells me is J.D. Vance, the man, is probably pretty similar to the guy who wrote Hillbilly Elegy and sent those texts calling Trump Hitler in terms of Vance’s personal belief, demeanor, values, etc.

      What this also tells me, given that it is so much in contrast with who he has been since entering the public life, is that J.D. Vance is an opportunist whose actual principles and ethics mean less to him than his own personal ambition.

      In other words, this is the exact type of man who has no business being in power.

    31. bly46 on

      Best line in the debate “when Mike Pence made that decision to certify that election, that’s why Mike Pence isn’t on this stage”

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