Demokraten verklagen wegen der Forderung von Georgia, Stimmzettel per Hand auszuzählen

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“Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.”

― Joseph Stalin

It’s all so absurd. When it comes to the election, the election board is like a scorekeeper in a basketball game: It’s completely ministerial. All they do is deliver the results that were recorded by others.

They aren’t the ref. They aren’t the players. They aren’t officials responsible for review. They don’t make the rules of the game, nor how the score is recorded. They don’t decide the scores *themselves.*

There’s a reason even Georgia Republican leadership is against this move. It’s completely outside of their responsibility, and could invite weeks or *months* of delay for no reason whatsoever except to invite doubt into the results.

They counted primary ballots by hand. Now a Texas county Republican party says they found errors.

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/03/19/texas-republican-hand-count-election/

After declaring a successful hand count of ballots, Gillespie County Republicans had to fix a series of errors in the results reported from almost every precinct.

> FREDERICKSBURG — An hour after Gillespie County Republican Party Chairman Bruce Campbell declared the hand-counted primary election results completely accurate and certified them as final, he found another discrepancy.

> “It’s my mistake for not catching that,” he said, sitting in front of his laptop inside the Gillespie County election administration office Thursday. “I can’t believe I did that.”

> The late catch meant that Campbell had to ask the early voting ballot board chair, who had already left and lives 30 minutes away, to return to the elections offices, figure out how the error happened, and fix it.

> The election was a low-profile party primary, but stakes are high. Gillespie County Republicans, led by Campbell, decided months ago to hand-count more than 8,000 ballots. Experts agree and studies show the method is time-consuming, costly, less accurate, and less secure than using machines, but local Republicans, citing unsupported concerns about the accuracy of voting machines, were determined to try and show otherwise. Workers recruited and trained by the party counted until the early hours of the next morning, and declared the effort a success. Proponents of hand-counting are now touting GIllespie as a model.

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> Netherland said he still isn’t confident the election results are accurate, based on the errors that he and others have found.

> On Thursday, Netherland said the Republican Party in Gillespie has introduced human error into the election process with the hand count.

> “We took something that worked and now broke it,” Netherland said. “We failed to guard the purity of the election with this hand count. What we just did is evidence that this hand count was not accurate.”

I’m not a Georgia resident but I need to ask. Does Georgia have a time limit on ballot counting or a specific time ballots are to be turned in?

Georgia’s voting system is secure.

After voters registration and identity are verified, they randomly select an available booth and vote on a touchscreen. The touchscreen then prints a paper ballot, and the voter reviews the printout. If there are any errors, the ballot is destroyed and a corrected one reprinted.

When satisfied the ballot is correct, the voter inserts it into a randomly selected scanning and secure storage machine.

Each machine keeps it’s own vote tallies. Because of the random selection of machines by the voter, there is no correlation between them to exploit by flipping votes.

At the end of voting, the voting machine totals and the scanning machine totals will match, unless some ballots didn’t get scanned, or someone somehow tried to mess with the voting.

Georgia extensively tests the machines with the real ballot before the election, and audits the machine counts by hand counting votes after the election.

There is no reason to hand count the ballots before reporting the results,if the two sets of uncorrelated machine tallies match.

This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/30/us/politics/georgia-election-board-hand-counting-ballots-lawsuit.html) reduced by 58%. (I’m a bot)
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> Democrats sued the Georgia State Election Board on Monday, claiming that a new rule ordering counties to count ballots by hand would invite chaos on election night, create delays in reporting results for large counties and put the security of ballots at risk, according to a copy of the lawsuit obtained by The New York Times.

> The lawsuit, filed by the Democratic National Committee and Democratic Party of Georgia with support from Vice President Kamala Harris's campaign, argues that the state election board went far beyond its authority in passing the rule, and notes that the board is not a lawmaking body and that the rule conflicts with the process established by the Georgia General Assembly.

> The rule, passed by the Georgia State Election Board this month, requires local election officials to count ballots by hand after polls close to ensure the total number of ballots matches the machine-counted totals.

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It’s designed to take weeks to count, exceed the certification deadline, and create chaos. Republicans are hopeful it pitches the decision to the SCOTUS, further stalling a Republican defeat, or pitching it into the HOR so Mike Johnson can pick our president.

Really hoping the answer isn’t “it’s illegal but too late to change it back”

Worst part is they trained all poll workers on the process and then just changed it so they wasted a bunch of time and resources

Appealed to SC then crushed by politicised ‘justices’.

Hand counting is **not** intended to make anything secure. It is known to be error-prone and difficult to get exact. It is intended to tie up any county with a partisan enough effort to cause problems and interfere with certification. Larger population centers *which tend to vote Democrat* will be most affected.

Yeah man, no changing the rules now. Any effort to do so should be considered election interference

Absolute nightmare scenario if it ends up coming down to Georgia.

Weird how these sorts of laws only get passed in swing states

It’s just such a weird thing to do. Nobody actually wants to wait for that.  Our system is fine the way it is. 

Oh jeez. You know whatever side loses they are going to demand a hand recount. Just do it that way the first time and let’s get our results.

Republicans know they can’t win a presidential election on policies so their strategy has been to make it harder to vote and harder to count the votes to count.

It’s like when you played a board game with your sibling back in the day and rather than lose graciously, they continually made up rules until they won. The only real difference is these Republicans making rules are technically adults if we base it on age.

Obviously, the only way to truly make voting secure is to host it centrally in Atlanta. Shut down all other remote locations, which often have little to no security. We are no longer in the age of the horse and buggy. Simply drive to Atlanta and vote at the secure centralized modern voting facility. Problem solved.

They want to counting to take longer than necessary so the Supreme Court can give the vote to a favored nominee. I.E. Trump. Its not about being fair. Its about legally rigging an election.