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    Liz Cheney schlägt eine neue politische Partei vor


    Liz Cheney schlägt eine neue politische Partei vor

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/21/us/politics/liz-cheney-republican-party.html

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    1. drtolmn69 on

      > “Whether it’s organizing a new party — look, it’s hard for me to see how the Republican Party, given what it has done, can make the argument convincingly or credibly that people ought to vote for Republican candidates until it really recognizes what it’s done,” Ms. Cheney said at the Cap Times Idea Fest in Madison, Wis.

      Archive at https://archive.is/RakI3

    2. thefugue on

      “It’s gonna be impossible to convince enough people to cut taxes once we have to actually admit we elected a guy to do it and didn’t care that he sold nuclear secrets.”

    3. EAS1000 on

      When Dick Cheney is voting for the Democrat you know the party you identified with has gone off the rails.

      Modern day Republican Party is an extremist, fascist party.

    5. account_for_yaoi on

      Yes, the republicans should split into two parties. Everyone is saying this. For hundreds of years, everyone has wanted to do it.

    6. Basselope_poptarts on

      I can only hope this is the beginning of Lindsay’s quote about the end of the party.
      America deserves better than whatever the current RNC is.

    9. BARTing on

      Annnd new laws about dark money.

      Any new party will be equally as corrupted as the old ones with “Oh look, 1.2B from the Federalists! It’s not a bribe it’s a gift “

    10. BurstSwag on

      Market Liberal Party run by Liz. The same bad neoliberal policies with less of the fascism.

    11. Ok_Use7 on

      Yeah, I do believe there’s a realignment going on among the right. Republicans for Harris is no joke and it’s the result of exactly what Lindsey Graham’s dumbass warned.

      They didn’t listen, they welcomed maga with open arms, and they lost their party to a cult.

      I really believe that we can stomp them out this election and if we do, I expect GOP civil war. You know trump’s going to run again if he loses and if he does, he’ll be their 2028 nominee.

    12. Building_Firm on

      Evan as a liberal, I can still see the benefit in hearing alternatives and having my opinions fact checked. But the fact checkers have to be honest and fact based, well reasoned and rational. Today’s Republican party possesses none of these traits. Liz is right, a “sane” spinoff of the GOP is needed and it would be beneficial for everyone.

    13. Talkingmice on

      Pfff we don’t need gop or maga, both have been detrimental to the future of the US

    14. wassuppaulie on

      I think the first step would be for ‘trad’ Republicans to identify themselves with a common label for what kind of Republican they are. It could be as simple as “trad Republican” or “Reagan Republican” or “Lincoln Republican.” Then state how this differs from the current Republican Party:
      1. Will not caucus nor vote with current Republican Party in Congress.
      2. Will not fundraise with current Republican Party candidates nor share money with them.
      3. Run 3 candidates in the Senate, 12 in the House, in seats where it can only cost current Republican Party candidates, ideally well-known and well-liked persons. Matthew Maconnahey in Texas might be ideal.

      It wouldn’t take long to show that a few trads in Congress could halt all MAGA plots and plans, block any MAGA judges or officials. The value of the MAGA brand would fade.

    15. Teechmath-notreading on

      I would love it if Cheney and Romney got together and formed a Conservative Party.

      Let them split the right wing vote. Democrats would win 60-70% of the seats.

    16. Scarlettail on

      I don’t know why anyone thinks the GOP is going anywhere. They’re still firmly entrenched all over the country and have a literal cult following which will never abandon them. Unless there’s some incredible blowout this year, they’ll still control most state legislatures and likely will win the US Senate, even if Trump loses. They’ll continue to pass MAGA policies in Florida and Texas, plus other places, and they’ll obstruct any progress in Congress. Their power will still be quite large, and likely we’ll be facing Trump or his handpicked successor, probably his son, in 2028 again. In the meantime, the GOP will continue to take over local election boards, as in Georgia, to subvert our democracy.

      Right now, there’s no room for another party. Every election from here on is do or die. Dems will need to win every single time unless somehow the cult is broken, which seems very unlikely if not impossible. These moderate Republicans will have to stick with Dems if we want any chance of keeping democracy afloat.

    17. CaptBertorelli1 on

      Most democratic countries have multiple parties to choose from.
      Most democratic countries also have a coalition government.

      It forces the parties to work together instead of fighting and bitching at each other to get a majority.
      The US is in a constant deadlock with the two parties constantly blocking the others bills and proposals.

      So more is good!

    18. sedatedlife on

      At least 2-3 more political parties are needed but it wont happen unless we make massive changes to the system.

    20. m00nWiZARD on

      I think the key is to develop two new parties that would represent roughly equal parts of the electorate. A party between Republicans and Democrats and a party to the left of Democrats. This would require real, European style coalition building in congress and would be more representative of the electorate.

    21. marcosbowser on

      The Democrats should start referring to the current MAGA folk as the real RINOs

    22. Notgoodatfakenames2 on

      The problem with a third party is that the Democratic party is already conservative. They are just not as racesist and sexist as the Republicans.

    23. Different-Counter454 on

      Ugh I can’t stand this woman. While democrats were clapping for her and saying how brave she is, she was providing cover for that traitor scumbag Ginny Thomas. So who is Liz really working for?

    24. gmil3548 on

      Holy shit yes! Fucking please make a conservative 3rd party to split votes and lose the next election in a fucking landslide.

    25. [deleted] on

      Oh yeah, will they still need our donations ro help run a functioning society and government?. Our political parties are literally set up like churches. They send you these doom and gloom emails begging for money. They’re rich, their friends and lobbyists are rich. And guess what we can’t even right these political donations off.

      Growing up I watched my grandmother give all of her money to people like Swaggert and the Bakers. We are being fooled by politcial televangelists.

    26. Sparathon989 on

      She’s right. Political parties have come and gone during the history of our republic, just none of that has occurred in our lifetimes, which is why we have stockholm syndrome to our current political parties that stopped putting us first…especially since SCOTUS gave them the gift of Citizens United. Now, no matter who wins, you’re going to lose. You hopefully try to vote by who you lose the least with.

    27. mjc4y on

      Yeah, it’d be nice to get back to two. This one + cult thing isn’t awesome.

    32. ACrask on

      This is the direction I expect everything to go once Harris and Walz get into the White House. The GOP as it is is just too infested with maga garbo.

    33. moonscience on

      We 100% need ranked choice voting so we can legitimately have more than the Racist/Sexist/Fascist party vs the Fiscally conservative party. I’m definitely pro-Harris, but let’s not pretend her presidency will be the Eco/Social Justice progressive party that a lot of Americans would like, and it would definitely help frame how incredibly NOMAL (even conservative) the Dems are, versus what the GOP have been spewing…well, since Nixon really.

    34. Ayirek on

      Yes, but it won’t happen unless an extremely significant portion of currently elected republicans all do it together, because forming a new party ensures a conservative party will not control either legislative house nor the presidency again.

    36. ptjunkie on

      There will be no new political parties until 3 presidential losses in a row. Then the GOP will rebrand overnight.

    38. 0173512084103 on

      She’s probably right. I’m a republican voting straight ticket democrat for the first time in my life. The current republican party is off its fucking nut full of crazies, hillbillies, religious fanatics, and straight-up weirdos. They left me behind; I can’t keep up with all that shit.

    39. Buzzlight_Year on

      If the US wants to be a real democracy this is the only way forward

    41. wasaguest on

      Uh yeah. The cancer of Fascism, Trump & MAGA left a gaping hole in the GOP. It’ll never recover from it. It might try to cover it up, but the dead cells left from a malignant cancer like that leaves a permanent mark upon its victim.

    42. Historical_Bend_2629 on

      Yay maybe not a nepotistic Ivy League, misogynist racist bunch of conservatives. Start the new party and beware your privilege, and if you are a real, decent person, I will listen.

    43. jrblockquote on

      And there it is. I’ve been saying the GOP will crack in half. They’ve bet on this felonious, rapist for the past decade and it will end the GOP as we know it.

    44. Riversmooth on

      What’s needed most is the elimination of the electoral college and term limits for scotus

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