Wir sind alle dem Untergang geweiht, sagt der neuseeländische Süßwasserökologe Dr. Mike Joy

>On a recent Tuesday afternoon at Victoria University, I watched freshwater ecologist and longtime environmental champion Mike Joy tell an undergraduate class that their world was headed off a cliff. He was being generous; the way he sees things, the cliff has well and truly been run over. He told the students green technologies were not going to save them, the world’s climate is going to break, and that a tipping point in the next few years will upend life as they know it.

>The end of the world keeps him up at night. Not because he’s afraid of it, but because it makes him mad. Because it’s unfair. Because it’s unnecessary. Because it’s happening whether we accept it or not. “It’s gonna be nasty, it’s gonna be wars, it’s going to be society breaking down,” he said. “But I’m sure there were people like me running around in the Mayan and Roman Empires going ‘no, no, no, don’t do this!’, and they would’ve been told ‘shut up, I’m making money out of this’.”

>”I’m talking about this kind of stuff all the time and I get labelled [‘Dr Doom’.](https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/527347/mike-joy-on-his-memoir-and-butting-heads-with-sir-john-key) I was at a public meeting just the other day and I thought, you know, actually business as usual – if we carry on doing what we’re doing – that’s doom.”

I’ve literally heard this for the past 20 years.. it’s always in the next few years.. smh

Dr Melchet says “If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face, will see us through!”

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Can the doom come a bit sooner?

Yep! The one constant throughout human history is that all great civilizations eventually fail. And the most common human caused reasons for that (aside from natural disasters) have been resource depletion, over extension of resources or population dispersion due to war.

Up until very recently in historical terms, human civilization has risen and fallen in more, and then progressively lesser, geographical isolation. Or to put it another way, within geographical boundaries.

Throughout all that time, our behaviors and relationship to the geographical world have not significantly changed. We have not learned from our mistakes, we have just kept pushing blindly forward.

We are users and takers. We are a cancer upon the earth. Edward Abbey – who, along with Rachel Carlson was one of the first in our lifetime to truly understand and try to explain the risks in store for humanity – once said “Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of a cancer cell.”

Now we no longer exist on a world with geographical isolation and boundaries. We are a global civilization, fragmented yet interconnected.

As the foundations we’ve built our global house of cards on begin to fail, there will be nowhere to run and nowhere to hide.

Great, more climate doomerism. Surely that will motivate people to tackle the problem.

Idgaf about downvotes, keep fighting the good fight even if this guy wants to roll over and die.

Due to economic reasons, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off.

Some of us know. The others will deny it until they die.

“I’d like to share a revelation that I’ve had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you’re not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area, and you multiply, and multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet, you are a plague”

Doomer stuff.