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    Laut Ukraine stürzte ein US-amerikanischer F-16-Kampfjet ab und tötete einen Top-Piloten

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/29/europe/ukraine-f16-crashes-intl?cid=ios_app

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    1. autotldr on

      This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/29/europe/ukraine-f16-crashes-intl?cid=ios_app) reduced by 83%. (I’m a bot)
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      > A top Ukrainian pilot was killed when a US-made F-16 fighter jet crashed on Monday, just weeks after the long-awaited planes arrived in the country a Ukrainian military source told CNN. The Ukrainian Defence Forces do not believe pilot error was behind the incident, the source added.

      > Flying the F-16 was their dream and when Juice died in a plane crash during a combat mission last August, Moonfish made it his goal to fulfill it.

      > Related article A 'Swiss Army knife' for the skies: Ukrainian pilot races to get to grips with F-16 jet.

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    4. Adavanter_MKI on

      Wish it hadn’t happened so soon… but we knew it would. I think back to that ONE instance of Abrams hitting mines and Bradley’s getting stuck in the same quagmire. Russia wouldn’t let that go for weeks… until they screwed up and tried to claim it was multiple confrontations… when it was just the same fight from multiple angles. I’m sure they’ll crow about this one too.

      All I’m sorry for is the loss of the pilot. That’s the only thing that hurts here.

    6. CHPCharger-enjoyer on

      That’s what happens when you send Pilots with 1 year worth of training on the shit

    8. JauntyGiraffe on

      Is this the first time in f-16 has been shot down?

      EDIT: I’m thinking F-15

    14. CraftyFoxeYT on

      Rest in Peace Moonfish. Juice, another famous Ukrainian pilot too was killed not due to Russian fire, but on a training exercise with a L-39. Flying jets in wartime is a very dangerous activity, one slip up and it will cost you your life.

    15. trebory6 on

      I mean it could also very well be sabotage.

      All it’d take is someone being paid a lot of money to accidentally leave a panel unplugged.

    16. Traditional-Bag-2782 on

      Fogg of war, tough to find the truth. If it were shot by Russians in air or on the ground, would Ukraine even disclose the truth ? And when the support depends on its reputation on the battlefield ?

    17. Courtesie on

      Kinda wild the US created this jet in the late 70s and yet everyone struggles to match it

    21. askmed_throwaway on

      God fucking damn it 

      Can we just throw Russia out a window? 

      Heard a story on NPR this morning about ukraine’s soldiers getting free sperm storage. It’s so fucked what Russian greed is doing. 

    23. eat_more_ovaltine on

      “Ukraine loses 20% of its modern Air Force after 3 weeks of warfare”

    24. BolshoiSasha on

      Other sources claiming he was not in the jet, he was killed in a strike on an airbase

    26. GeneralSofus on

      Everything is possible even sabotage it’s war anything can happen.

    27. mvw2 on

      Maintenance/upkeep is probably the hardest part about use of advanced equipment (advanced being relative). Training, skill sets, parts, quality control, etc. are all necessary elements to develop for new equipment. Any weakness in the means stuff like plane crashes can exist. There is going to be immaturity and a learning curve to all of this.

    28. HilariousMango on

      So… Was it a crash, or a “crash?”

      Russia did report that they destroyed an F-16 in an airbase raid with Iskander missiles a few days back, so… Fog of War I guess, we’ll know in time.

    30. Save_a_Cat on

      I’m not a fighter pilot, but I’d assume that jumping into the seat of a new one is not like going from a BMW to a Mercedes (which can still be very confusing.)

      Pilots work off reflexes and if you haven’t developed them yet inside of a new aircraft your skills are negated even if your were a top pilot in a different aircraft.

      Even one tenth of a second makes a difference at those speeds.

    31. differing on

      While this sucks, Google “F35 crash” and you’ll find that fighter jet training is a risky business, it happens with some regularity.

    33. Jealous_Tennis522 on

      Looks like 1 year of training an experienced Ukrainian pilot to fly the F-16 is not enough training to transition to the F-16 and perform a basic intercept mission against a non manuevering drone without crashing. New F-16 is $70 million. Cost to train a F-16 pilot is $5 million. Gone in 2 weeks.

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