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    Französische Staatsanwälte sagen, CEO der Messaging-App Telegram sei aus der Haft entlassen worden und werde vor Gericht erscheinen


    Französische Staatsanwälte sagen, CEO der Messaging-App Telegram sei aus der Haft entlassen worden und werde vor Gericht erscheinen

    https://apnews.com/article/france-telegram-pavel-durov-arrest-6e213d227458f330ed16e7fe221a696c

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    1. NotTheActualBob on

      While we’re at it, let’s imprison all paper and pencil manufacturers since their tools could be used for money laundering and csam.

    2. RickKassidy on

      Are they going to arrest Cellphone manufacturers and cellphone service providers, too? Since cellphones are used for pretty much everything the Telegram CEO is accused of allowing? They, essentially, are allowing it, too. Google has end to end encryption. Are Google employees in jeopardy?

    3. DarknessCraver on

      Well, at least he can still communicate with his lawyers on Telegram

    4. maximm on

      No he will appear in Russia, time to bring the asset home. I only say this because he supposedly left Russia under duress for allowing the app to have free speech. Meanwhile he’s been back and forth to Russia many times. So which is it? afraid to live there but visiting is fine? Then they immediately start defending him when something doesn’t look good for him.

    5. AdminsAreRegards on

      How does he facilitate illegal communication any more than any postal network?

      People can just as much and do communicate crimes through the mail. The post office does next to nothing about this as well….

      If they aren’t opening every piece of mail then essentially they are guilty. Otherwise if telegram allowed the same content but didn’t actually see it they would be in the same situation as the postal service.

      Free forms of communication shouldn’t be a crime to those that facilitate them regardless of the crimes which may occur through them. For better AND worse everyone should have access to a form of internet communication that is free from government censorship.

      Arresting those who allow that communication is censorship.

    7. IndistinctChatters on

      Seeing who is pro this guy (Marjory Traitor Green, Musk, Medveded and other thugs) it is all I need to know about him.

    8. Geldess on

      Well this is not what I expected on a Saturday night lol.

      Copying from [](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/):

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      This seems to be all coming from one article in French so I don’t know if this is all true. Please everyone avoid speculation and, uh, I don’t know. Discuss, I guess?

    9. RCA2CE on

      Elon’s guilty of whatever this guy did too.. first thing Elon did was run to this guys defense.

    11. BubsyFanboy on

      Glad France has actual human rights unlike a certain other nation in Europe that the CEO is from.

    12. Happy-Initiative-838 on

      Has been released from custody, will….flee to Russia.

    13. LizzyCatss on

      Interesting to see how international law is catching up with tech leaders.

    15. filtarukk on

      I hope that the freedom of speech will be protected. Otherwise it will be a huge loss for humanity.

    16. poop-machine on

      100% this guy turned himself in and is fully co-operating with the prosecution. He knew he was wanted since July, yet he willingly returned to France. His lawyers aren’t making outraged public statements. He’s not considered to be at flight risk. He’s gonna hand over the encryption keys to the French government and that’s that.

    18. AlexHimself on

      I’m shocked at all the unfettered encryption simps expecting this guy and the company to just be free to operate with impunity just because it’s a secure messaging app.

      They completely ignore the massive amount of provable child abuse on the platform that goes unchecked. They brazenly operate. It behaves like early days of 4chan.

      If a government infiltrates a child abuse chatroom and can show message logs, abused children, etc., then Telegram cannot refuse to act, or they are **complicit** and obstructing justice.

      You can’t be both (1) a legitimate business and (2) unwilling to respond to governments.

    19. ohmer123 on

      I am French and work in tech. Here’s my perspective.

      Among the charges, there’s basically 2 things:
      – lack of content moderation
      – lack of cooperation with authorities

      Investigators in charge are from 2 units:
      – digital crimes
      – financial crimes

      Charges related to lack of moderation are basically bullshit according to a university professor in an interview from yesterday (in French). No platform is able to comply with European demands. It requires way too much manpower. Numbers cited by the professor was 2 million staff for a billion users like Telegram has. In China, he said they hired 800k staff for 1.4 billion users. Just insane to have thar many individuals on payroll. Even less so for Telegram which has no strong monetization strategy.

      The crimes charges are the real shit, I believe. So that same professor said it was easy to find illegal content and marketplaces on Telegram. Make sure you do not use group chats and require encryption for direct messaging to protect your privacy.

      So I had a look. I live in a small town of 8000 souls. I found 3 drugs dealers and many sex workers nearby in 5 minutes with locate nearby feature. Did not engage, staying way from this 🙂

      So let’s assume Telegram makes it easy to connect buyers and sellers illegal goods and services. Is it lawful for state authorities to get cooperation from Telegram to gather evidence? Yes, it is. It’s a legal argument not a moral argument. And they did not cooperate, so he is prosecuted.

      Russia? This is a French citizen on French soil. Not relevant. Fuck off, get out of Ukraine and stop sending your people to the meat grinder.

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